here’s a good write up about why federating with threads is a bad idea, below is just a tidbit, I read it ages ago so just picked some dotpoints.
Less emotionally, I think it’s unwise to assume that an organization that has…
demonstrably and continuously made antisocial and sometimes deadly choices on behalf of billions of human beings and allowed its products to be weaponized by covert state-level operations behind multiple genocides and hundreds (thousands? tens of thousands?) of smaller persecutions, all while ducking meaningful oversight, lying about what they do and know, and treating their core extraction machines as fait-accompli inevitabilities that mustn’t be governed except in patently ineffective ways…
…will be a good citizen after adopting a new, interoperable technical structure
They just want to avoid EU regulators. And also that EEE thing is just bs fear mongering “they want to take mastodon away from you!!!1!!!”. Email still exists and is alive, xmpp still exists and is alive, http still exists and is alive, all open standards and protocols that have been embraced by big tech companies. Big companies using and connecting to other servers can’t make them disappear. People who use the fediverse today won’t stop using it tomorrow even if the theoretical mass exodus to the large platform happens like described in that one blog post, because the fedi power users of today are there because they don’t like meta or twitter. There will always be users on activitypub whether meta uses it or not, and nobody is forcing you to use their platform either.
email is unusable without bowing to either google or microsoft
xmpp is far more niche than ever before thanks to the big players
http is highly grandfathered in ++ big tech is still working on the extinguish part, ever wonder why most websites are 30mb+ javascript programs? this is one of the reasons
I have not used Microsoft or Google as a primary email provider in years, only Tuta or Proton. Never had a single issue communicating to either google or Microsoft.
People don’t use xmpp because it sucks, the UX is close to terrible and setting up a server is a hassle. The documentation is very lacking and the client options are very scarce. It is plain old and people have moved on to Matrix anyways. But still, I have used XMPP recently a lot thanks to JMP.chat. xmpp is very much not dead and there are very much improvements made regularly. What I’m trying to say is nobody uses xmpp anymore because it’s old and outdated, not because it was killed, because it was not.
Most websites are not bloated because they want to extinguish http wtf. They are huge because of stupid JS libraries and frameworks that web devs use for every little feature. I can guarantee you if Google or Facebook could make their website as pretty as they are while being 1kb, they fucking would, the bandwidth costs savings are worth it for them at their scale
Its not about destroying a service but its momentum which was successful with xmpp back in the day.
Also, its not „fear mongering“ it is being cautious and denying the entity that invented corpo social media entry to a space one feels comfortable at, one instance at a time.
I‘m part of the fedipact so I‘m biased. But maybe learn to respect others opinions. You can do what you like, we can too.
“I know there’s a ton of skepticism about Meta entering the fediverse — it’s completely understandable,” Cottle says. “I do want to kind of make a plea that I think everyone on the team has really good intentions. We really want to be a good member of the community and give people the ability to experience what the fediverse is.”
I know of a guy who had good intentions. He just wanted to make Germany great again. I can’t remember his name right now, but IIRC, it didn’t end up being good for a whole lot of people.
“We have really good intentions, that’s why we’re working for a company that’s been involved in at least two dozen scandals and breaches of user privacy. I’m sure they won’t do it again.”
I’d really love to hear him elaborate about why people are skeptical.
People are skeptical because they have proven time and time again that they in fact do not have good intentions. That they will not dedicate the necessary resources to properly moderate their platform. That they do not care when their platform is used to spread disinformation and manipulate the public, especially during an election.
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