Update: Wagner is claiming control of a Military HQ and an airfield in Rostov, Russia. Demanding an audience with the top 2 Russian military heads. He demands that the two leaders BE BROUGHT TO HIM or he will continue to hold the HQ.... It may be a while before we get another update.
No, that seems far-fetched as a goal. It COULD however in my opinion be a psyops to allow Putin a way out of the war though, the scripted slowly escalating conflict between Kremlin and Wagner has been going a bit too cleanly so far.
Ummm... no. This is the exact kind of thing that will destroy any left-over confidence in the war-effort.
No, this is a disaster for Putin, even if they do manage to crush this coup attempt - I don't see how Russia will be able to continue the war in Ukraine after this for very long.
We all know how this is gonna end. Prigozhin marches his 25,000 troops into Moscow, faces stiff resistance and is either killed in combat or captured.
Putin then goes full Vlad the Impaler and parades his corpse skewered on a pike for all of Russia to see, as a stark reminder of what happens to rebels.
This is a substantial setback for the Russian war effort, but I really cannot see Prigozhin overthrowing Putin. Best thing he could have done was defect to the West instead of try to depose the figurehead.
After seeing how much of a coward Putin is I have a hard time seeing him be anything more than an opportunist who takes easy cheap shots. He is out if his league now.
After seeing how much of a coward Putin is I have a hard time seeing him be anything more than an opportunist who takes easy cheap shots. He is out if his league now.
A coward? Lol, idk about that.
It takes real balls to last as long as he has as a dictator. It also takes balls to piss off the entire UN while continuing to double down.
I don't see this turning out well for him, but if he was really a coward none of this shit would have happened.
Nah, he's just a dictator who finally bit off more than he could chew.
Yes and no. I think being a dictator like him goes hand in hand with being a coward. For example, repeatedly resorting to war crimes when a war isn't going your way, pretending to show up in public when there is a chance of assasination (but I guess Putin has plenty of enemies so it makes sense 🤣), poisoning and killing anyone who doesn't show 100% loyalty to you, jailing your opposition, and even jailing and using excessive force against protestors for simply appearing upset.
The situation with Prigozhin could even demostrate his cowardice (assuming it isn't just a tactic to move wagner closer to Kviv) considering how bizarre it was. Either he caved to Prigozhin or it was fake.
At this point I am curious how this ends for him and Russia, but I am sure it won't end well.
For example, repeatedly resorting to war crimes when a war isn't going your way, pretending to show up in public when there is a chance of assasination (but I guess Putin has plenty of enemies so it makes sense 🤣),
You sure his reasoning for performing those war crimes is because the war wasn't going his way? I could see him performing them regardless of the outcome - it aligns with his ruthless behavior.
I still wouldn't it cowardly though.
pretending to show up in public when there is a chance of assasination (but I guess Putin has plenty of enemies so it makes sense 🤣),
Of course he does: he's a ruthless dictator. What do you expect? The dynamic has always been the same for people like that; Stalin, Hitler and Sadam each dealt with the same problems.
poisoning and killing anyone who doesn't show 100% loyalty to you
If you're a dictator, a lack of 100% loyalty implies you're dealing with someone who would try and kill you if given the chance.
In the dictator's regime, this isn't cowardice; it's survival.
and even jailing and using excessive force against protestors for simply appearing upset.
Again, he's a dictator and a fascist. There's nothing out of the ordinary here for someone who chooses to play that role.
At this point I am curious how this ends for him and Russia, but I am sure it won't end well.
Well, yeah. The entire world is against what he's doing.
Putin is just a dictator. You can't survive as a dictator without doing all of these things that you're associating with cowardice.
But that's the thing: we're talking about someone who would laugh if he was called a coward. He doesn't care what you think.
But if you want to pretend that you're a part of a country that holds a moral high ground above Russia's dealings, you have that right in a non dictatorship.
The US government has been involved in and supported some of the most haneous shit you can imagine.
Yes, Putin is a scumbag. If you're going to criticize someone, though, you should do it in a way that actually makes sense.
Otherwise, you're just a part of the media mob circlejerk.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter who wins or loses this battle. Either way, Ukraine wins.
Wagner was the only Russian force I regularly saw succeeding in the headlines. Without them bolstering the Russian military and in fact detracting from and wasting the resources of the Russian military, the whole house of cards is going to start falling.
Yea I'm not too in the loop on this topic, but following, and I'd like to think I understand people, especially bad people, and if anything this just acts as a destabilizer for putins power consolidation, and that is good for Ukraine regardless whether both parties are pos, which they are.
Ok, I have a huge and unlikely bingo card: what if Lukashenko is now allied with Prigozhin and is using that to take control of Russia and finally complete his dream of ruling the USSR again?
Is there a source for this somewhere? I’m seeing reports that he fled to Turkey. Trying to figure out if this is the darkest timeline or the brightest…
(No shade to you, thanks for sharing it. Just wanna see the news orgs pick up on it Edit: BBC is on it
Sorry I missed your comment. By now you may have seen more news about the situation.
But don't ask me how this makes sense, I am as lost as you on what happened today. One could hope that there is a hidden logic and we will learn more about this in history lessons, but this being the result of pure chaos is a completely valid option at this point.
When you need to make a business tycoon or political opponent go away the accidental leaps off the balcony are pretty simple. When you're dealing with a mercenary boss with a private army it's much more difficult to make that happen.
The Pentagon is located in Arlington, it's a meme that when some hot shit happens and they have to do overtime they will order a lot of pizza from nearby stores.
I don‘t think this guy in charge of Russia or their army would be any good either, but I hope he could at least make some more Russians question the current course.
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