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People have used ai to describe things like chatbots, video game bots, etc for a very long time. Don’t no true Scotsman the robots.

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That’s exactly what they meant, it’s just a weird way to say it that they only used because the consortium payed them to

Edit: extra word removed

Silentiea,
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I mean let’s not conflate not testifying with being guilty, that’s the whole point of the fifth.

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On its own, it’s just the same as hate for porn. But there’s also deep fake porn, ai porn of real people, and that’s potentially far more problematic.

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Add to that the fact that before ai, unless you’re already pretty famous, no one cares enough to make nonconsensual porn of you. After, anyone vaguely attracted to you can snap or find a few pictures and do a decent job of it without any skill or practice.

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Do you hate all amateur art, or just when it’s made with ai tools? Does a kid’s drawing, produced in scant seconds and with no training and remarkably little skill hold negative value to you, or is it worth something?

What about art produced with hours or days of effort and a specific goal in mind, but don’t so using primarily ai with perhaps a few finishing touches?

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It doesn’t matter how many hours you spend working on a piece, if you use AI, then the AI made the art.

Except that artists can use ai as a tool to make art. Sure, the ai can’t say why that pixel looks that way, but the artist can say why this is the output that was kept. They can tell you why they chose to prompt the ai the way they did, what outputs they expected and why the ones that were kept were special, let alone what changes they may have made after and why.

If Jackson Pollock can make art from randomness by flicking a brush, why can’t someone make art from randomness by promoting an ai? Is there a lone somewhere that makes it become art, in your opinion? I don’t think it would be uncharitable by interpreting the above quote to mean you don’t believe it is possible at all to use ai as a tool in the production of the art.

If ai is the only tool used, it never makes an image, let alone art, because there was never even a human using language to prompt the ai. But from that obviously ridiculous extreme there is certainly a long spectrum ranging through what I described above to something as far removed as a human generating landscapes for a storyboard before fully producing a movie that doesn’t include the air outputs in any physical way. I’m sure you would claim a line exists between there, and I’m curious where.

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Telling a machine “car, sedan, neon lights, raining, shining asphalt, night time, city lights” is not creating art. To me, it’s equivalent to commissioning art.

When art is commissioned, art is produced. If no human produced it, an ai did. If ai cannot produce art, then a human must have.

Similarly, I feel that prompt engineers can’t take any credit for the pictures that AI produces past the prompt that they provided and whatever post-processing they do.

I suppose I don’t understand why engineering a prompt can’t count as an artistic skill, nor why selecting from a number of generated outputs can’t (albeit to probably a much lower degree). At what point does a patron making a commission become a collaborator? And if ai fills the role of the painter, why wouldn’t you expect that line to move?

As for why I hate AI art, I just hate effortless slop.

I’m with you there. And I would brook no issue with completing about the massive amount of terrible, low-effort ai art currently being produced. But broadening the claim to include all art in which the most efficacious tool used was ai pushes it over the line for me.

Silentiea,
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Right, so this is what I mean when I say that charitable interpretation is dead. Taking my earlier assertion that AI generated art isn’t real art, along with my assertion that providing a prompt to an AI is essentially equivalent to providing a description to a human artist for a commission, should not have read as an argument for or against AI generated art being real art. Taking those statements together, the only reasonable conclusion you can make about my position is that prompt engineers aren’t artists.

That sounds like the interpretation I’m responding to. It either doesn’t follow from your premises, or it begs the question. Yes, if ai art isn’t real art, no art produced with ai is real art, but that’s a tautology. I’m trying to get at why you believe ai inherently makes something not art. Low effort was a reason you gave, but you also said no amount of effort could change it.

Never. It’s not an artistic skill in the same way that providing a description to an actual artist is not an artistic skill

But providing a description to an “actual artist” is an artistic skill. If you have a particular vision in your head for a character, writing that out is art the same way any kind of writing can be, no? Writing something in a way that gives another artist a mental image that matches yours takes creativity and skill. Why doesn’t the work created by that creativity and skill count as art? It seems unnecessarily gatekeep-y.

Silentiea,
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What about squishy, juicy eyeballs? Or the back of your throat, for dental X-rays?

Silentiea,
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Another fun response is to ask about the things the do support taxes paying for, like the death penalty, and bringing up the way Jesus talked about those things.

Silentiea,
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My response to being told Netflix would stop my password sharing was to cancel my sub. And now, months later, I’m using someone else’s password to keep watching their shows…

POLITICO: Trump spent the day listening to strangers insult him. And he couldn't say a single thing back. (www.politico.com)

And through it all, Trump has been required to remain seated, not gesturing, not talking and not using his phone. He has not even been allowed to adjust the temperature a few degrees in a courtroom he described as “freezing.”

Silentiea,
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I think he’s demonstrated that his best, most satisfying life (even outside politics) involves some pretty lecherous behavior combined with the alleged illegal business practices.

So yeah, I don’t want to just mock him and jeer, but I also wouldn’t wish him his ‘best life’ without some serious character growth that I didn’t picture happening just because he avoids politics.

Louisiana lawmakers vote to remove lunch breaks for child workers, cut unemployment benefits (www.nola.com)

A Louisiana House committee voted Thursday to repeal a law requiring employers to give child workers lunch breaks and to cut unemployment benefits — part of a push by Republicans to remove constraints on employers and reduce aid for injured and unemployed workers....

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I love how when they don’t want lunch breaks they’re practically adults so they shouldn’t need them. But when they want life changing (life saving) medical care, suddenly they’re kids that need protecting.

Silentiea,
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But why do that when I can just make tons of money by taking it away from the good actors?

California won't prosecute LAPD officer who shot teenage girl in store's dressing room (calmatters.org)

The California Justice Department announced today that it has found no cause to file chargesagainst a Los Angeles police officer who, while aiming at a suspect, shot and killed a 14-year-old girl hiding in a department store fitting room....

Silentiea,
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Showing up ready for a shooter because that’s what was reported is prudent. Being cautious as though a shooter may appear soon because that’s what was reported is prudent. Shooting to kill someone not armed with a gun while other parties are present and while your cohort has nonlethal weapons on hand and ready to use instead isn’t prudent any more

Silentiea,
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They made a top level comment about a previously-unknown heart defect. Diet and exercise doesn’t fix a hole in the heart

Silentiea,
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Well, maybe they will. That sounds pretty dangerous, after all.

Silentiea,
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I expect in this case the prosecution would consider it worth the time and expense, but

Silentiea,
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But they’re the only ones who agree with meeeee!

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