@pizzaiolo@epicspongee I used to use Twitter all the time before it got to a point where I couldn’t stand it anymore, and I felt like a weight had been lifted off of me after I deleted the app.
Natalie should know better. But also… the really nasty shit under Obama was heavily under-reported and only ever seemed to penetrate media in a select few circuits. Casually tossing off a “What even did Obama do that was so bad?” is almost forgivable if you’re not a terminally online 30-year-old who makes hour long YouTube videos about politics, history, and culture.
For me, it’s someone that savvy casually dropping a “both sides” comment. If I didn’t know better I’d assume it was bait. Its hard to imagine that level of cluelessness.
I think she’s joking about how people over-report his trivial shit. But it can be read as blithely ignoring the monstrous crimes Obama did commit while in office, because it echoes a lot of the liberal apologia of the administration that amounted to “The worst thing Obama ever did was wear a tan suit”.
While I don’t think she has talked about Obama’s war crimes or things adjacent to it, I find it hard to believe that she would be saying that seriously especially the both sides part. Tho her response to the criticism doesn’t make it better.
You’re reading it wrong, she’s stating you can’t make a moral equivalence between Obama and, say, Trump or something because supposedly the worst things obama did were silly.
I mean. It definitely carries the implication that Obama has done very little wrong whether or not you intended it that way. Natalie’s inability to own up to mistakes is either a serious character flaw or she thinks that the murderous actions he took were justified.
Since she basically stopped making content, I’m a little surprised she still has an audience. Like so many otherwise curiously influential and interesting people, she’s doomed herself to drowning in the social media space when everyone would be better off (her most of all) if she just logged the fuck off.
It’s not really hard is it? “Yeah people are right about this.” and then growing from it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that from her, not a single time. Everyone is always wrong except her, it is always the internet’s fault, and she is perfect and right about everything.
I have much more respect for people like Noah Samsen who has made mistakes with epic debatebros and just owned up to it like “Yep engaging with them was a mistake I shouldn’t have done it and won’t be in future”. Just fucking learn from things ffs. Grow.
I think, still, it’s a reflection of what the conservative media at the time was making a big deal about. It wasn’t the drone strikes or war crimes, it was the tan suit that was run on Fox for several weeks.
It’s like they never gave a shit about civilian deaths. Ever.
Yeah because it’s too late now. Covid has become just another disease spreading around now. If people actually wore masks and got vaccinated we could have eradicated it but now it’s like the flu where it changes to quickly to manage.
Which was the whole point of the quarantine and masks and social distancing but god forbid Sarah doesn’t hang with her besties and John doesn’t get to party on the weekends
If people actually wore masks and got vaccinated we could have eradicated
Not really, there was no chance of us eradicating covid. Covid spreads well even among the masked and the vaccinated. We could only slow it down.
but now it’s like the flu where it changes to quickly to manage
It was like that from the start, there were multiple competing strains of covid right from when it was first discovered since it had already been spreading for at least 2 months at that point and was all over the world.
Hospital rates are down because we killed a lot of people and the rest aren’t being recorded as covid.
I know people who very recently have caught and have had their bodies permanently damaged by this disease within the last few months, one of them being a family member who did everything right, so the whole “lol no big deal it’s endemic now” shit is really fucking depressing, ngl. It kind of handwaves away a very real pain people are going through.
There is quite the back and forth between Democrats pushing for accountability and the GOP pushing against.
From Wikipedia, which has all the references one might need:
"On July 1, 2016, President Barack Obama signed an executive order requiring annual accounting of civilian and enemy casualties in U.S. drone strikes outside war zones (“Areas Outside of Active Hostilities”), and setting a deadline of May 1 each year for the release of such report. However, soon after taking office, President Donald Trump designated large areas in Yemen and Somalia to be “areas of active hostilities,” thus exempting them from disclosure. The Trump administration also ignored the 2017 and 2018 deadlines for an annual accounting, and on March 6, 2019, Trump issued an order revoking the requirement. "
"During the Obama administration, proposed U.S. drone strikes in locations outside active war zones (i.e., in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia) required high-level approval. The Obama administration process for approving drone strikes in such locations featured centralized, high-level oversight, based on intelligence about individuals suspected of terrorism activity. Obama’s approval was required for every strike in Yemen and Somalia, as well as “the more complex and risky strikes in Pakistan” (about one-third of the total as of 2012), and insisted on deciding whether to approve a strike unless the CIA had a “near certainty” that no civilian deaths would result.
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October 2017, Trump abolished the Obama-era approval system in favor of a looser, decentralized approach, which gave the military and CIA officials the discretion to decide to launch drone strikes against targets without White House approval. "
All sorts of references corroborating those summary:
The short version is: Obama demanded accountability and his approval. Which did not exist before and was revoked after. Hence, the different counts of casualties is not representative of an actually difference. Only representative of the GOP being shit.
Are you just looking to dunk without actually absorbing what was actually said? If so, go back to reddit.
If you’ve actually misunderstood me, I never claimed Obama caused the recession. His policies after just massively looted the proletariat to benefit the bourgeoisie, and in particular looted black proletariat.
That’s not what she said lol. Sorry as a neurodivergent person I get that this tweet might be hard to read possibly, but she’s being sarcastic here. Maybe in poor taste, but it’s a joke. She’s well-aware of the shit Obama’s done and isn’t a fan of him.
She says that Obama was bad. Everyone understands she was being sarcastic. Since she was being sarcastic it means that she is trying to say that Obama wasn’t bad (because that’s how sarcasm works).
I see it as mocking conservative news networks that acted like it was a controversy. Which you absolutely can do and still believe Obama was a bad president or whatever.
This comment is a great example of the “insight” that you find on that instance. Random insults that don’t make much sense unless you uncritically agree with the most boot licking China / Russia defenders.
It’s not insulting, it’s just boring. It’s like bots repeating old Chapo comments from different articles, none of which make sense.
However, most sane people would agree that Obama was, as far as U.S. presidents go, very uncontroversial. Well spoken, very few scandals, centrist policies, didn’t make a fool of himself every time he met a head of state, etc.
So the conservatives latched onto the WEIRDEST shit. Made him up as a Kenyan citizen (???), actually made a big deal about his choices of condiments or suit colors, etc. These were all real things that made the mainstream news cycles, because Obama wasn’t livetweeting his every thought or being indicted every day, but US conservatives had to complain about something.
This is to be contrasted to the mainstream Republican figureheads, who are unbelievably crass&corrupt traitors yet receive nothing but praise from the same media/pundits that thrashed Obama for his choice of mustard.
Absurdist contrast like this is, indeed, comedic. I rest my case.
(Also Natalie has talked in-depth about how shitty this faux-leftist “the democrat candidate is actually center-right and imperfect, therefore I shall not vote for them even if it gives the win to the literal rapist who will absolutely jail me for my political beliefs, gender expression, or sexual orientation if given the chance” in her videos, most notably the 2020 campaign video, but of course none of that fits in 240 characters, also comedy doesn’t tend to work when overexplained, thank you for coming to my TED talk)
I mean… sure? But that comment written by that particular person I can not see how it can be interpreted as a criticism against Obama. Unless it’s a kind of 4chan humor, which is shameful to understand anyway.
This is absolutely just a regurgitation of people saying Obama’s biggest scandals was the pants he wore. The joke doesn’t have a punchline otherwise, barring missing context that you should have led with if there was a misunderstanding.
Isn’t the punch line holding that belief? As in she was being sarcastic in saying that the sauce was the worst thing he did. It is an absolutely absurd belief to hold and thus humorous
Such an annoying reckless behavior to publicly Call Out a community you’re supposedly part of like this. Every time someone does this, I get a clear mental image of a dog licking its own ass. Just shut up, having random slapfights and compulsive arguing are childish zoomer traits
I used to think it was funny just because it WAS absurd that Hannity (it was Hannity right?) made a big deal out of Obama ordering “fancy mustard” and therefor being unAmerican. I thought it was a good commentary on conservative media’s weird tics. But once I noticed that libs were using it (and tan suit jokes) just as much to absolve Obama of having “real controversies” and not just making fun of Fox News, it lost its edge for me.
ETA: Also its really corny of Contra to engage in such an overused joke, beyond how lib she’s being its also just really gauche.
Tan suit Dijon mustard obama-drone was amusing until I realized how much of politics is theater. It was just too blatant this time, but so much of American news is only slightly more serious than Dijon mustard.
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