Not just those under 40. I do feel bad I sorta got a brief taste of "good times" and worry eventually younger folks will think the post 2000's are normal.
If it’s any comfort, 99% of human existence before us was worse. 100 years ago no one cared what you thought if the powers that be wanted to send you to war. Don’t even get me started about your life if you were a woman or minority. You don’t like it? There must be something wrong with you, off to the insane asylum for shock therapy.
How is that different than now?
We claim we won't force you into the military, but if there's not enough people who want to go to war, we'll draft you.
If you're a woman or minority, we won't kill you outright, but you'll have reduced quality of life without a conformative man to vouch for you. Bad job selection, lowered wages, political/legal/policing discrimination, doctors assuming malingering and not giving healthcare, etc.
People are still slapped with mental illness diagnoses and denied personal agency too. We shut down asylums, but we created mass homelessness. If you're a social rebel or outcast, you get a mental illness label that stops you from gainful employment, allows all authority figures to disregard you entirely, and if you make too much noise we'll send you to a psychiatric ward, give you court-mandated anti-psychotic injections under threat of jail, and even remove your power of attorney or make you a ward of the state.
Oh, and involuntary shock therapy still exists, by the way.
the post 2000s are normal now. what came before is no more normal now than what came before that. it’s just the past now. it was a different way for things to be that will likely never be again. just like we’ll never be medieval again.
As someone who came of age in the 80s/90s, that’s not true. I can’t describe the pre and early internet-as-we-know-it days, but they hit different. No anxieties over being always-reachable basically.
That normalization scares me so much. I’m just young enough to not really have lived before it but I also have a good memory and I have that early 90s slide into horror world seared into my awareness for my entire life. And that deep scariness of everyone around me my age and younger, accepting it as normal haunts me and hurts friendships. That and poverty forcing me into terrible situations.
Yeah, I'm juuuust old enough to have a firm memory of when things that were laughably petty were the biggest problems in the world. You mean to tell me the PRESIDENT got a BLOWJOB?!
All the real issues that sowed the seeds for our intractably broken future were sidelined and mostly ignored. Desert Storm, woowoo go world police. LA Riots, oh you crazy minorities and your intolerance for extrajudicial murder. Climate change, what's that?
Desert Storm was the good one. Sadam invaded Kuwait, a large international coalition ended the occupation. Today's analogue would be NATO entering Ukraine, kicking the Russians out, and showing that wars of aggression are unacceptable.
Iraq in '03 was the problematic one. Falsified casus belli, war crimes galore.
Short explanation: The arms Iraqi forces fought with during the Gulf War were largely bought or built by Americans. Isn't that interesting?
Long explanation: It's all connected to the Israel-Palestine issues we are seeing this very day. Iraq was dealt a very nasty hand by the UN after the dissolution of the Ottoman empire, becoming a landlocked country, with lines drawn such that they were made caretakers of ethnic enemies and forced to forsake much of their geopolitical power and resources to tribal rivals. It's difficult to say their claim to Kuwait was justified, but it's certainly just as difficult to say it was unjustified.
On top of that, we had just gotten done with fucking over Iraq due to their failure in the Iraq-Iran war. They had initially allied with the USSR to prop themselves up, and when that went to shit they turned around and tried doing the west and themselves a favor by grabbing a piece of Iran. We were directly supporting them (anybody taking a punch at Iran is a friend of ours!), and had been increasing our support, but when they agreed to a ceasefire we stopped, leaving them war-torn, deeply in debt, and with really nothing to show for their experiment of working with the west aside from all these shiny American weapons of course.
Medium explanation?: Iraq had been engineered to be an Israel-like anti-Arab agent in the region, but when they failed and sued for peace, we left them no other option but to wage another war to survive. When they went in a direction we didn't like, we got all our buddies together (including a surprising number of old enemies) and decimated them. Twice!
Not quite. First, the vast majority of Iraqi equipment was Soviet, and the vast majority of the stuff that wasn't Soviet was French.
French contractors even built the air defense network and control center.
Certainly there are tensions in Iraq as a result of it coming in to being as a constructed nation - nowhere did I say otherwise. However that doesn't justify a war of aggression against a neighboring country.
Further, Iraq's casus belli had nothing to do with having a potential 'claim' to Kuwait's land. Kuwait sovereignty pre-dates by centuries. The real reason was Kuwait's refusal to write off Iraqi debt and refusal to lower its oil product (it was producing above its OPEC quota - depressing prices and hurting Iraq's exports).
It is true that Saddam thought the West was using OPEC and Kuwait to undermine Iraq. That may be true. Putin thinks the West is using Ukraine to undermine him - so should we stop supporting Ukraine and let Russia annex it?
Recently took apart and repaired a broken clothes washer that I couldn’t afford to replace at the moment so I feel this same sense of dopamine hitting.
Yes and no! It’s a difficult initial process if you have no idea but becomes extremely easy once you know how PCs work.
Knowing how to diagnose problems is I feel a more difficult part. It’s more complicated than knowing “These parts go there and have cables that connect to the CPU switch, main power and hard drives” because cables and parts, to a huge degree, can only fit where they belong.
I imagine in the line of PC repair work you’ll encounter much more complicated issues and often multi-part damage. Also probably a lot of filth, I heard most normal people NEVER clean their PCs, change Thermal Paste or even let some nasty bugs accumulate in their PC.
Bonus points for if it’s a laptop instead of a PC. Their tight compact nature makes repairing them hell I’d imagine. BONUS bonus points if you’re working on an outdated PC who’s parts you can’t just easily swap out.
My life goal was to live in a house in the woods, support myself on 30 hours of work per week at the most, have 2 cats and a wood stove.
I mean the house is small (60 square meters of living space), I rent it, I have to use the wood stove for heating cause I can’t afford gas, and my retirement plan is to die in the climate wars, but hey, I made it.
Something called a chimichanga in my neck of the woods. You can get one smothered or dry. You can even get one stuffed with fruit and covered with sweet and spicy sauces
They tell you that the sky might fall They’ll say that you might lose it all So I run until I hit that wall Yeah I learned my lesson, count my blessings Look to the rising sun and run run run
Over 40? For me is even worst! You younglings still have time to do something. I have no house, no savings, no retirement plan and no time to do all that! I’m the most fucked! Do you think I expect good things?
We’re still using instincts that were designed for the wild.
We’re a perfect example of what happens when a predator species becomes overpopulated. They over indulge in a plentiful bounty not realizing they’re killing out their food source.
That’s why we hunt dear or kill wolves. A balance must exist or everything goes awry.
The Ukraine-Russia & Israel-Palestine wars, and the likelyhood of China going after Taiwan before 2027, and the Koreas continually being a powder keg influenced by all of this. Between all that and me being 23 years old I sincerely think I might witness World War 3, it’s terrifying, yet it feels inevitable with our era of false 1st world peace built on a house of cards.
That’s not even mentioning the Republican Project 2025, as a trans person I might have to fight for my life.
What do you mean by house of cards? Seems to me like the current political order is the most stability the world has ever seen and is only threatened by an axis of fascist countries that deliberatly wants to plunge the world into war and chaos.
It’s most threatened by the climate change it has brought about. The lurch towards fascism doesn’t help, but climate change will exacerbate that along with many other problems.
It’s been stable based on temporary peace and Mutually Assured Destruction (not just from nukes). For example China-Taiwan are still in a civil war that never officially ended, and China has always wanted to reabsorb Taiwan and Taiwan has always been opposed to. The Koreas are actively still in a cease fire for a war that also never concluded. And the middle east has always been churning with armed conflicts.
The western 1st world countries managed to extract enough wealth to stay far and away from these kinds of conflicts, but they are still heavily dependent on these countries and we’ll all feel the impacts if things get worse.
China has always wanted to reabsorb Taiwan and Taiwan has always been opposed to
Technically, the mainland and Taiwan both claimed to have rightful rule over the other, although sentiment in Taiwan gradually changed to favor independence instead.
Some of us are doing ok and just trying to keep our heads down and not get caught in the crossfire. Good luck you guys. I wish you better fortune in the future.
I really wish my generation was a bit more optimistic. Yeah shit sucks, don’t get me wrong. But have you guys seen all of history? This is par for the course. Yeah the challenges are different but every generation had their challenges. And yeah baby boomers definitely had it better than us, but that doesn’t mean there’s nothing but bad stuff to come. You have to take life with the good and the bad and make the most of it.
Dunno, man. Boomers in my home country went through such shit time that they think that becoming literal nazis still isn’t the worst thing to happen in their lifetime. They did get free housing before that, though, so I’m not sure they actually had it worse overall…
The negative stuff happening in the world seems to spread so much faster and get so much more publicity that it’s easy to end up in a constant negative spiral
Yeah I think you’re dead on. I’m evidently not alone in thinking that the age of information is driving a lot of consciousness of worldwide issues on a scale we’ve never seen before. People in the Middle Ages only knew the small world they lived in on the scale of a city or region. If that city or region was prospering, their life was likely pretty damn nice.
These days, we’re aware of all issues everywhere. And if you don’t create that perspective for yourself, that can be incredibly overwhelming. You have to give in to a certain sense of wilful ignorance because you literally cannot be involved with every one of those problems. Not clicking on all the doom and gloom news articles has done wonders for my mental health. I guess you could say this thread was a moment of weakness… :p
What’s interesting when you look at birthrate declines is not that they are declining, it’s that they are declining to NORMAL LEVELS. Everyone is freaking out that the next generation won’t be big enough to support retiring Boomers without understanding that there should never have been so many Boomers in the first place.
As someone that’s been around for some of history it’s bad now. Just the cost of living stuff is dark. Grown adults are sharing bedrooms because they can’t afford to rent a room by themselves on a full time wage. People have raised entire families on a single factory workers wage for hundreds of years before now, now two people with decent jobs can’t afford one kid. It’s dark.
It’s a different situation but I don’t think ‘not as bad’ really works here. The average house during the 30’s was only twice the average wage, you could absolutely support a family on a single income. Other things were bad, like the unemployment rate, but it was temporary.
The issue in this post is that what we’re dealing with is ‘life’ being unattainable for the majority of people. For people in their 20’s now it’s always been that way. They can’t move out, they can’t get an education, they can’t get a career going, it’s grim.
Most generations don’t need to deal with an impending threat to the whole planet. Nuclear apocalypse, sure, but at least there was no pretending that it wasn’t a problem.
This is ignoring all of the other ways in which we’re fucked.
For me, the first world (i.e. the part of the world allied with the US) had a common enemy to get behind and that allowed people to live in peace for 1.5 generations or so. When the USSR collapsed, that bogeyman suddenly disappeared and the infighting started nearly instantly.
Another thing that is worse is how we havent had anything recently to inspire hope. The Higgs Boson would have been the Millenial/Gen Z equivalent of the moon landing if the public hadn’t been so distrusting of physics because of string theory evangelists.
By your logic, the first humans should’ve stopped having kids and died out the first time they faced any sort of existential issue. Life’s hard yo, that doesn’t mean it’s not worth living.
That’s life. What value you assign it is up to you to decide. Philosophy is how I find my value, for others it’s religion. Ultimately, that’s something you have to figure out for yourself.
But go ahead and have kids so you can watch em slave for wage massa, Pay 10 grand a month to rent a Pod, and deal with 150°F winters yeah boiiii life is sooo goOoOd!!!
This is a pretty specific thing, but the general “we’re all doomed” vibe is definitely not unique to today. Boomers and older had the threat of nuclear annihilation looming over them, and before that… well, disease and famine and death and destruction due to war have historically been the norm.
Imagine how you’d feel living in the Americas in the 16th or 17th centuries and either watching the destruction wrought by European settlers firsthand or, maybe worse, watching your peers die en masse of the diseases introduced by those settlers. Imagine living in Eurasia in the 13th century and watching the Mongol army sweep through.
None of this is to say that today’s challenges aren’t real and serious. Just that we’re not the first to face such challenges.
I think the doom is real, but we’re all looking at it through 6" x 3" magnifying glasses that condense all the shit into one giant nugget, and then the easy thing is to comment on that nugget because, well it’s right there, and last winter was unseasonably warm and there were some pretty catastrophic wildfires, and the ocean is doing weird shit, and it’s easy to think that that’s all there is, but you can still take a walk in the woods on a sunny day, and say hi to some people, and maybe make a friend.
Considering science has only gotten robust enough to prove anything like that far more recently than any good examples of ecological collapse, I’d say this parameter is a little arbitrary.
The best example I can think of regarding ecological collapse is during and after the fall of the Western Roman Empire. Their climate decreased in temperature, which reduces crop yields, which weakened the empire and encouraged migration from northern Europe, which brought their collapse (plus like 12 other things lol).
In 535AD, during Justinian’s reign in the east, the first black plague happened following a supermassive volcano that left the sky covered in ash blocking the sun. This was a massively ecologically damaging period of history and it caused the death of countless plant and animal life, along with the deaths of half the population of the Mediterranean.
It’s not like people of this age were taking soil samples and references trends or whatever, but they certainly understood how things were going poorly.
This is an interesting perspective, because in previous generations most of the long term fears were settled by simply doing nothing. They held their breath and it worked out.
The key difference is that the current generations are acutely aware that if we do nothing and just “stay calm and carry on”, we’re totally fucked. Inaction isn’t going to save us this time. We can’t put our heads in the sand and just sing ourselves to sleep then expect a good outcome when we resurface.
I think that’s a key differentiator. Previous generations were fearful of something happening. Current generations are fearful of nothing happening, because if nothing happens then the world will become uninhabitable by humans.
Yet, the majority of the decision-makers in our society are silent generation/boomers that drove to success by inaction and they’re largely doing nothing. We see this and understandably know how fucked we are.
Yeah I think that nails it. That fear of nothing changing except the slow crumble getting worse while we watch more people metaphorically drown in the onslaught of horrors.
It won’t, but it will sustain profits, and that’s what terrifies me: we’re gonna watch the world burn so some rich bastards get an even better return instead of doing something to save our species. sorry about your future kids, profit margins and people wanting to roll coal seemed more important at the time.
You need to give articles making predictions about the future a heavy amount of doubt. We may be relatively intelligent as a species, but I genuinely think we way over-estimate our abilities. Predicting the future is hard. The biggest problem is that predictions are based on past data, and cannot account for what might happen that hasn’t happened before. Which when faced with a brand new problem tends to be a brand new response.
Look at our lives right now. While certainly not ideal (who could make that claim, in all history?) it’s pretty damn nice if you look back in time. Yes lotsa awful stuff MIGHT happen, but that’s always been true. And compared to the challenges of the past it’s not on any scale we haven’t been on before (I mean the Cold War literally could have resulted in the planet becoming uninhabitable due to nukes).
I’m not saying I disagree with you, I’m merely trying to give it a glass half full perspective. I agree some scale of societal collapse does seem like it is a real possibility, but it’s by no means guaranteed or necessarily even likely. We don’t know what we don’t know. Embrace not knowing what the future holds and just enjoy life for what it is today.
This is what gave me some peace: it could all end horribly for me at any minute. Anything could happen. I could get hit by a bus. I could die painfully from some fucked up disease. A fat asteroid could hit the earth. It’s all out of my control. Or things could turn out for the better, by some way I never foresaw. The best thing for us to do is to strive to be good people and care for what is in front of us.
I still find it a bit of a mindfuck that humanity is being such a deleterious effect on this beautiful world.
… and I do think that growing up under the threat of nuclear holocaust must have been similarly terrifying.
It turns out that the people most likely to become homeless going forward are actually Boomers. They didn’t save for retirement and government did not put up any programs to REALLY help. So here we are now.
LoL retire. Look at the percentages of baby boomers who just realized they are gonna have to work to death because they gave up pensions for a better stock market and come back tonme with “retire” that’s gonna be a word people use as often as “Rolodex”
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