jeffhykin, (edited )
  • "at least 1 out of 400 shot everyday"
  • 365 shots per 400 people per year
  • or 9.1 shots per 1 person per decade

The AVERAGE American has over 9 gunshot wounds? Man things are getting bad in the US.

Note: The other statistics seem to mostly check out (see another guy’s comment about that), which is great. It’s just weird the gun one is so astronomically inaccurate.

uriel238,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yep. I addressed this in a reply. I think he was thinking 1/400 evey year and then forgot where he was in the thought process.

uriel238,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

So lets take a look at the everyday, at least 1 person is shot

This would assert %0.25 of the population receives one or more gunshot injuries each day or 830,000 gunshot victims per year

A Penn Medicine study claims the number is 329/day

Which is 0.000098% of the population or 120,167 victims a year.

Brady United clocks US gunshot victims at 117,345 per year or 0.035 of the population (321 victims a day).

I suspect our poster Shon was computing that one of his 400 Americans in a room (I presume folks in the US) was getting shot every year and misspoke / forgot to carry the one. It’s too easily detectable speaking to communities that will be eager to apply skepticism and dismiss the post in entirety.

crackajack,

This is what you get when you dumb down people.

curiousaur,

Wait, how are the illiterate who aren’t in poverty doing it?

meliaesc,

There are a lot of manual labor, factory, and agriculture jobs that don’t require high literacy. It’s also not clear if they’re limiting it to “English literacy”.

uriel238,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Considering the questionable literacy of our last two Republican presidents, I think being very rich and capable of taking orders helps.

Well, in Trump’s case, the capacity to convince his handlers he can take orders.

VirginAt41yo,

Help guys I’m being impersonated by @jordanlund

CoffeeJunkie,

Got him! I threw him in Internet Jail for you. 👮🏻

Cannacheques,

I prefer to meet trans people in person to get to know them and judge them based on their actions like any other person rather than what I believe is on their minds.

uriel238,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Sadly, there are multiple trans exclusionist movements in the US and UK who are glad to presume the worst of all trans folk, and seek to criminalize as much of their presence as possible when they aren’t advocating literally massacring them.

Even the TERFs of the UK have admitted they’re really not all that RF. It’s really about the TE.

jojowakaki,

Wait is this stat for real or a hyperbole? Assuming this represents the demogrpahcis of US. With a population of 333 million, there are 1.6 million trans people and 830 000 prople are shot everyday?

Lucidlethargy,

It’s not even remotely accurate. Just a bunch of bullshit to make people angry.

uriel238,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

According to the CDC, 1.03% of the population identifies as transgender. Not including people like me who are enby but not trans (1.4% who get their own other category).

As for the 1 in 400 getting shot, that’s obviously dubious, and the question is how they arrived at that value (say at a different time frame.) I’m working on it.

That said, as this is c/196, I posed it from my old reddit meme pile without checking the facts so I’m not invested in its veracity. The other numbers were verified in these comments, thank the Lemmy community.

greenmarty,

I could also write this but like 2 trans people decided to ruin life of 10 others each round. And factual value would be about the same.
I’m sick of those victimize everything agendas to be honest.

LtLiana,

I appreciate the sentiment but this is just not a very good arguing strategy.

Transphobes don’t think they’re just ruining some poor innocent trans people’s lives for fun and enjoyment, but they actually think they’re improving society by combating bad people. They think trans women are just an evolution of “I can turn the lesbians straight with my dick” misogynist men, or out to abuse children. If those things were true, they would be entirely justified. But they’re not.

If trans people hypothetically were the abusive creepy harassers that they make them out to be, it wouldn’t matter how few there are in society. I am also sure child rapists or terrorists are a very small part of the overall population, but nobody would argue that people who try to combat child abuse or terrorism are “unfair” or “unreasonable” just because child rapists and terrorists are a small part of the population and there’s bigger problems to worry about. It doesn’t matter how few evil people there are if you want to combat evil.

The point that we should instead argue over and over again is that trans people are not perpetrators, and that gender is genuinely a social construct and not majorly biologically determined, so their genders are as real as others’ since they’re just a social performance anyway.

It’s like playing the women’s autonomy card against anti-abortion people. These people genuinely believe that abortion is cold-blooded child murder. And if that were true, then obviously a woman’s right to commit murder would be ludicrous. No wonder they think we’re crazy from their POV. The problem is, abortion is not child murder. We need to argue against their wrong world view.

uriel238,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

We’ve been through this before in the German Reich. It didn’t matter to antisemites that blood libel was a myth or the stab-in-the-back myth was contrived fiction to explain how sacred Germany lost the Great War. These people want to believe Other people are vermin and their precarity will be solved by deporting them to elsewhere.

So it is with the recent propaganda pushes against trans folk (also LGBT+) The groomer myth is so old we have PSA movies warning boys about The Homosexual in from the 1960s, when our society still gave zero fucks about children’s welfare.

The fear of the trans woman in the women’s rest room is the same as the fear of the black family in a white neighborhood. They are eager to believe violence is justified. And no piles of statistics about incidents and crime rates is going to change their minds. They want a valid cause to purge Americans, and will settle for a vicious rumor perpetuated by FOX News and OAN.

LtLiana,

Yeah. That’s why no amount of appeal-to-morals arguments is going to convince them. Nor will facts. The reason why we should argue against their world view is to convince those still on the fence, those who are at the beginning of the pipeline and can yet be saved.

If someone is on the fence between “trans women are rapists pretending to be women to gain access to women” and “please don’t be mean to us”, then the latter is going to look like a weak argument and the former is going to look “reasonable”. Hence the “facts versus feelings” narrative.

We constantly need to reiterate the central point: that gender is entirely fluid and a social construct not set in stone. Because that’s a genuine argument that could convince people.

qwertyWarlord,

Why would I be in the same room? Ew, I’m going back in my gated community and calling the cops

HawlSera,

That sounds about right

Agent641,

2 are trans so you decide that ruining their lives is a priority

I get to marry them both?

Cannacheques,

Haha what a hoot, that’s some unexpected positivity there, I’m guessing you’re not trans

FartsWithAnAccent,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

2 seems high

uriel238,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Just checked. Trans folk make up 1.02% of Americans. Another 1.04% are other (neither AMAB, AFAB or Trans, so enbies and such)

uriel238,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s a breakdown of the United States general population, I think.

cjsolx,

So, in a little over a year everyone in the USA will be shot? 875K people are shot daily?

Trollception,

Yea I could believe the other stats but there’s no way one person out of 400 is being shot every day.

AVincentInSpace,

Also, over 20% of the population is illiterate? I don’t buy it

Schadrach,

It’s about 26k total homicides per year, about half are firearms, a huge majority of those are handguns.

So 875k people in the US are shot to death roughly every 67 years.

set_secret,

where is this hell scape that you are referring to?

UnspecificGravity,

The United States of America.

Someone else did a good job of demonstrating that these numbers aren’t exaggerated:

lemmings.world/comment/3323575

idiomaddict,

Except that the 1/400 shot per day is and remains an exaggeration.

It’s already so concerning, we don’t need to make it sound worse to have an impact

cricket98,

except for the numbers are that exaggerated. and people are criticizing people for “taking a hypothetical too literally” which is just a way to justify spreading misinformation to push a narrative.

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