tante,
@tante@tldr.nettime.org avatar

I get a lot of people calling out my skepticism (as in: Bitcoin is a worthless piece of hot garbage trying to kill our planet) because number is again going up. This time it's real, now that the scamers have been caught and all.

But if you want to know why Bitcoin goes up you just need to look at one curve: Tether has printed 4 billion USD from thin air in the last week.

While it's great to see the crypto scam artists SBF and CZ been caught and punished (sadly without making their victims whole) the actual rock that whole scam economy is built on is Tether. Has been Tether for years.

And I really don't get why US regulators let some weird company print fake USD.

Josteglitz,
@Josteglitz@troet.cafe avatar

@tante why do prices rise when supply increase?

eliasr,

@Josteglitz

> why do prices rise when supply increase?

The supply of Bitcoin did not increase.

  • The supply of "USDT" increased. Note that "USDT" is not USD, and it is also not Bitcoin.

  • The price of Bitcoin increased.

Possible explanation: Tether created more USDT and sold them to people who paid with fiat money. Those people then used those new USDT to buy Bitcoin (and/or other cryprocurrencies), so there was increased demand for Bitcoin.

I hope @tante will correct me if I'm wrong.

gabrielesvelto,
@gabrielesvelto@fosstodon.org avatar

@eliasr @Josteglitz @tante people aren't buying Tether with fiat money, certainly not on the scale of the amount that were printed. The way they push prices up is by wash trading. The company that owns Tether also owns the Bitfenix exchange, so they can make fake trades where Bitcoins are exchanged with Tethers at inflated prices. The trade prices are reported as if the they happened in US dollars. Those who fall for it will typically buy Bitcoins with fiat money at the inflated price.

tante,
@tante@tldr.nettime.org avatar

@gabrielesvelto @eliasr @Josteglitz exactly this. Bitcoin is bought with Tether which is just fake USD increasing the price to use when dumping assets on retail

kkarhan, (edited )
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@tante It's because is not a and it's claims to have any backing as a are just .

Basically all they do is sell and

They won't survive a because they have nothing in the bank!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g&t=2138s

And I'm not even shure they are in the sense of an actual as per [] or registered as such...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrip
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voucher

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@tante CZ didn't get caught...

He stepped down but otherwise remains a free person - uncharged and unwanted.

tante,
@tante@tldr.nettime.org avatar

@kkarhan His company paid a massive fine but he also had to pay 50m in actual money (not fake shit). It's not enough but at least something.

kkarhan, (edited )
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@tante $50M and getting fired isn't a real penalty for a billionaire...

It's like giving Bezos $16k in parking tickets or like Musk being fired from because X.com was already a stupid name over 20 years ago...

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21120476/jeff-bezos-washington-dc-renovate-apartment-home-parking-tickets

He'll be pissed and angry for a day but has so much money on the bank that he can't really burn it all even if he'd pay multiple therapists 24/7 to help him touch grass...

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@tante It's also the same reason why the doesn't go after vouchers and why exist:

Those are locked-in, / solutions and both PSC as well as do comply with , & regulations...

In fact, Tether and 's "" does have functions specifically to comply with listings and and do enforce them against i.e. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwBnf-e1PY8&t=295s

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@tante But then again the only purpose for like :bitcoin: and is to taint wallets with "" attacks, thus basically preventing people from using their accounts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7gaqhF-wrQ&t=290s

Cuz unlike :monero: , there is no on , or any other - regardless if or shitcoin, nor is there some confirmation/denial/widtholding process like an actual bank...
https://ofac.treasury.gov/faqs/1078

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@tante I mean it's not like with "traditional" [real] finance where if someone were to try to taint my bank account by wiring money from cartels to me just to get me into trouble where bank systems will instantly sus the transaction and widthold it pending clearance, and the account holder isn't being questioned or suspected until they were to ask for said transaction, thus being "in the know"...

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@tante
& are just digital casino chips:
They can only be (legitimately) converted to actual money by virtue of paying for them and they can only be (illegitimately) swapped at huge loss rates if someone wants to get them.

And like in a real casino, there are the equivalent bouncers ans security cameras at the exchange desk.

hiiaminfi,
@hiiaminfi@mastodontech.de avatar

@kkarhan @tante imagine parking tickets were based on income… 500.000$ for parking where he is not supposed to might be the funniest thing I have thought about today (for clarification: 500k per ticket).

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@hiiaminfi @tante : Were those not misdemeanors but felonies and had he done so in Germany and be sentenced by a judge, his penalty in the form of a fine would've been based off his income.
The Problem with like Bezos is that they can and do artifically keep their taxable income low, and that being compensated in shares, not a paycheck as well as getting liquidity by taking a credit with said shares as collateral isn't even legally considered income.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6V9i8fFADI&t=195

JoeGrowling,
@JoeGrowling@todon.eu avatar

@hiiaminfi @kkarhan @tante
I've long argued for this. I remember a Bentley left parked in the loading bay outside where I worked in Liverpool for a week, it got a ticket every day and the owner just casually swept them up when he finally came back, presumably easily affording the cost since the car costs as much as a house.

Laws only enforced by fines are only illegal for the poor.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@JoeGrowling @hiiaminfi @tante EXACTLY THAT IS THE PROBLEM!

Personally I think it would've been more painful to get said car towed...

Not shure how it's in your juristiction but in Germany towing companies can literally tow misparked vehicles on public roads if they please and then the owner gets to pay their expenses...

https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/111527783047999453

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