vga256,
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so for the past month i've been leaving old vhs movies on in the background while i work

i noticed that several tapes had faded audio that got worse over the course of the film, with a lot of humming in the background, to the point of being inaudible after a while. a few web searches suggested either a worn out vhs tape (which I feared), or a poorly tracked vcr (I adjusted the tracking, which didn't improve anything)

i did notice that my older JVC vcr never had the "stereo" light on when playing back movies, and had a suspicion:

so holy crap, til: most VHS tapes past a certain age have two audio tracks: an analog mono track, and a stereo hi-fi track

when the vcr can't track the stereo hi-fi track properly, it switches to the analog mono track on the edge of the tape.

my vcr was always downgrading to the analog track, which on several (ex-rental) tapes had degraded due to mishandling and abuse (being at the edge of the tape path)

i picked up a Sony SLV-778HF today for $20 just to see if switching VCRs would make a difference.

holy COW is this a huge improvement over my old 80s JVC vcr! not only did it pick up the stereo hi-fi track on all of the "bad" tapes perfectly, but it improved the video so much that it looks like a dvd.

ramon_wilhelm,
@ramon_wilhelm@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

@vga256 this is just amazing! Didn't know that this Sony VCR coud improve a lot! This must be the perfect VCR to digitize VHS tapes!

vga256,
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

@ramon_wilhelm that's a great point - i hadn't even considered that aspect. I have a bunch of VHS tapes that I should re-digitize! :)

ramon_wilhelm,
@ramon_wilhelm@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

@vga256 great idea! :) Wish I could digitize new VHS tapes again. It's a great experience and I still have my VHS-Video-Grabber. I'm using a program called VirtualDub.

vga256,
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

@ramon_wilhelm 😆 i have a bunch from the 90s that we taped tv programs with, so there are some hilarious 1990s commercials on them.

acsawdey,
@acsawdey@fosstodon.org avatar

@vga256 VHS hi-fi is really something. Some vcrs will let you record audio only on a tape and you get an even longer recording time. Also, it’s pretty much CD quality.

vga256,
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

@acsawdey incredible - I hadn't realized that was possible.

ahbon,
@ahbon@piaille.fr avatar

@vga256 @acsawdey

So many memories. As a teenager, that's how I dubbed borrowed CDs. I had 4 hours long mix tapes. The best part is that you could press a button while recording to place an inaudible "marker" that the VCR could use to go back to. So if I knew that a song was the 23rd on the tape, I'd tell it to reach the 23rd marker and it would fast-forward to it. The hi-fi audio used what I reckon is called NICAM encoding, and it was digital, so hiss-free etc.

vga256,
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

@ahbon that is incredible - this is the first i've heard of the NICAM format.

asjo,
@asjo@illuminant.asjo.org avatar

In the the former Soviet Union they used VHS-tapes for data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArVid

vga256,
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

@asjo fascinating. thank you!

vwestlife,
@vwestlife@mastodon.social avatar

@vga256 I've also encountered some homemade recording which only have a Hi-Fi audio track -- no linear audio at all. So if you played them on a mono VCR, or one with misaligned/worn out heads that defaulted to the linear track, you'd just get silence.

vga256,
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

@vwestlife ah ha ha... i would have never realized that was possible until today. i'm guessing the heads on my old jvc need some cleaning or have some alignment issue.

arroz,
@arroz@mastodon.social avatar

@vga256 Sony was awesome! I had a SLV-715, and one cool thing it allowed was recording only the mono audio track, or the video+stereo track. That way, audio commentary could be added by replacing the mono audio. I can't remember if it allowed to play both simultaneously or just switch between them, but either way it was really cool.

After it broke down, I replaced it with a Grundig, and even after many years of tech development, it wasn't quite the same thing. Sony was really special.

vga256,
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

@arroz yes! I saw that mentioned in the manual. really impressive design.

MutantFuturist,
@MutantFuturist@mastodon.social avatar

@vga256 I get the suspicion that most people who say 'VHS had bad picture quality' only ever watched beat-up rentals, multi-generation dubs, and movies taped off TV. A good VCR setup still looks and sounds fine.

vga256,
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

@MutantFuturist it's kind of shocking just how crisp it is on my trinitron. i never had anything this nice as a teenager.

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