louis,
@louis@emacs.ch avatar

Since last night I'm giving browser a try. So far great experience, uses much less memory than FF, integrated RSS reader, vertial tabs by default and side panels are a real plus.

Is it still true that Vivaldi is owned by their employees?

ika,
@ika@emacs.ch avatar

@louis I don't know how you customize your firefox but I certainly feel sluggishness interacting with the vivaldi UI, even when freshly installed. It is true that they have those marvelous tools on the sidebar and such, the customization options and keybindings are great, but the sluggish UI is the biggest reason I switched back to firefox/librewolf after about two days of test drive.

Then I've recreated the vertical tabs/sidebar in librewolf using some userChrome.css trick and Sidebery plugin, and it has served me well since. I find myself not really needing those sweet little integrated sidebar features since my workflow does not heavily rely on a browser, and I've already got the same functionality in emacs.

If you have no UI issues, then I'd say it's indeed a good browser, although proprietary, it gets the job done pleasantly.

louis,
@louis@emacs.ch avatar

@ika I haven't noticed any sluggishness in the UI yet. The only issue I have at the moment that it can't play DRM content (Netflix etc.) although I've enabled the options.

On the pro side, it properly syncs all the settings incl. search engine setup (I use Kagi) even to iPad/iOS versions. Which I can't say about Firefox, which always tries to push their Google defaults on freshly installed instances.

Given that we only have two major browser engines available on Linux, which are both infested with Google "services", the use of Blink (Chromium) over Gecko (Firefox) seems to be not so controversail to me any more until there are alternatives available.

pglpm,
@pglpm@emacs.ch avatar

@louis I'd be happy to read updates about this experiment-experience of yours, when you have time :)

dekkzz76,
@dekkzz76@emacs.ch avatar

@louis

its a decent choice, pity i couldn't get the email to work on linux.

louis,
@louis@emacs.ch avatar

@dekkzz76 Hm, it works for me with Linux and Fastmail. Which email provider do you have?

dekkzz76,
@dekkzz76@emacs.ch avatar

@louis

tried creating a vivaldi.net account

publicvoit,
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar

@louis It uses https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(browser_engine) which is about to destroy the WWW as we know it by Google.

Priorities. 😉

louis,
@louis@emacs.ch avatar

@publicvoit So does Mozilla by quickly sunsetting Location Services and surrending to the Google monopoly, pushing numerous big FOSS projects like GNOME into distress.

Priorities 😉

mms,
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  • louis,
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    @mms It uses Chromium minus all the Google Services. Firefox and derivates get worse with every update, so whats the alternative?

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    @mms of course links or eww would be the preferred choice 🙂 Unfortunately it's not sufficent for 99% of the work I do. And I really came to despise Mozilla as a corporation.

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    @mms since Mozilla is primarily fed by hundreds of millions each year from Google and every decision they make essentially plays in Google's hands, I really don't see any difference. Except that Google doesn't pretend to be some sort of "charity to save the Internet"... whenever there is a browser engine without a single line of Google code, that works with everything I need for the job, I'd be the first one to switch.

    citizen428,
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    louis,
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    @citizen428 @mms An impressive project indeed. I hope they continue this path. If I had enough C++ proficiency it would certainly be very interesting to participate.

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