Cold calling real estate agents - is there a law against it?

Some real estate dickhead just rang my mobile (which is not advertised anywhere) saying they were “just in the area” and wanted to do an appraisal on a house we own in <suburb name>.

It’s an agency we don’t use for any purpose, have never used for any purpose, and have never approached for any reason.

Is there some sort of legal issue with some smarmy sales knob looking up property owner details and cold calling them?

Makes me feel all gross that their grubby mitts are pawing through my deets somewhere in the hope of being able to stick a tongue up my bum and get a taste of some back door cash.

Salvo,
@Salvo@aussie.zone avatar

Sign up on the DoNotCall register.

www.donotcall.gov.au

It will stop the honest ones from calling and when the dishonest ones do call, ask them for their business name and ABN and they disconnect very quickly.

It doesn’t make you immune to Political or Charity cold-calls, but if you mention that you will never vote or donate to someone who does cold calls, you get out on their internal DNC list very quickly.

It also doesn’t stop Scam/Illegal spam calls, but if you ask for their legal business name and ABN enough times, they soon get the picture and will disconnect the call.

GarbageShoot,

In America there are “do not call” lists and I think it’s illegal to cold-call numbers on those. Otherwise, you’re free game if there’s not a state or municipal law protecting you (and there rarely is). Maybe Australia has something similar.

Either way, you’ll get far fewer inquiries from landsharks if you stop hoarding properties and parasitizing the wages of people who work.

Auzy,

Here in VIC, its also completely s*** there aren’t any junk mail laws.

Myself (and I heard this from others) plan to shred up any crap they put in my mailbox though from now on, and scatter it in their office. If everyone does that, it makes it unprofitable for them to do dodgy junk mail drops at least. It’s also likely totally legal, because you’re returning their litter… At the moment, they ignore NO JUNK mail signs because there are no repurcussions, but, even shoving it under their door at their office might be enough to make them stop. Everyone really needs to start this…

I generally add their number to every callback number I can find on the internet, so they have to deal with dodgy phone calls. As they are distributing their mobile number wanting people to call them, I make sure as many people call them as they request

Brainsploosh,

In several countries you can add your number to a no-marketing list, making it illegal.

saltesc,

It’s unsolicited and its purpose is marketing.

www.donotcall.gov.au/…/making-a-complaint/

Or you can always sign their mobile up to services. Usually you’ll find it on a billboard next to the mugshot of them sporting a shit-eating grin.

walter_wiggles,

Would be a clever way to case the joint too

trk,
@trk@aussie.zone avatar

Or you can always sign their mobile up to services. Usually you’ll find it on a billboard next to the mugshot of them sporting a shit-eating grin.

Or just in my recent call history… Looked it up and they’re the “founder” of the company along with like 4 other people. All claiming equal rights. I wonder if they fought over who got their name first?

And they do indeed have a shit-eating grin. All of them. Why do they always look like that?

saltesc,

Damn, they called from their own number? I don’t know why I’m surprised lol. At least you know you can block it and that’s probably that.

You can also write a complaint to the other four founders and reference your formal complaint to the gov in it. I’m sure that’ll stir the pot if there’s any power struggles currently going on 👍

fine_sandy_bottom,

I don’t know but if I had to guess I’d say no such law exists.

They can’t “harass” you, but a once off call isn’t that.

Even if you could prove they had gotten your personal details through some nefarious means, no one would care. If you complained to their professional body I can almost guarantee they wouldn’t understand what the problem is.

DolphinLundgrin,

They can’t “harass” you, but a once off call isn’t that.

Found the non-Millennial! I would say all phone calls are harassment. 😋

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

fuck off this person is whining about cold calls while people are literally dying because people like them are hoarding surplus housing.

DolphinLundgrin,

Found the person with no sense of humour. 😋

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

I do not find it funny to joke about this sort of shit. People are dying because of people like the OP here and they are whining about cold calls while they deprive people of housing by being a parasitic piece of shit.

I hope they get many more cold calls in the future. Maybe joke about that instead asshole.

If you had ever been homeless or close to it you might understand but you and they are displaying some incredible levels of privilege while whining about a minor inconvenience or annoyance while they literally are responsible for people dying by hoarding housing for a profit motive and you and they can kindly go fuck yourselves.

DolphinLundgrin,

How do you read any of this and think I’m on the side of the real estate agents or the hoarding of housing?

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

Because you are making light of the OP being annoyed at a cold call while millions of people die every year because of a lack of shelter.

trk,
@trk@aussie.zone avatar

this person is whining about cold calls while people are literally dying

Jesus mate, there’s a reason people don’t take you seriously.

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

So you speak for all people now? The supreme arrogance you have displayed here is incredible.

You think you deserve to determine where people can sleep. You think you deserve to own houses you don’t need.

Yolohobo1,

Think you need to chill out. Saying “No thanks” and hanging up doesn’t take a whole lot of courage or effort.

Also, who answers calls from numbers they don’t know? That shit can go to voicemail.

DolphinLundgrin,

I just don’t answer the phone, ever. I usually just stare at it, frozen in horror until the vibrating stops.

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

There should be a law against owning properties you don’t live in.

That said fucking with real estate agents I can get behind so do whatever on that front. Maybe consider not being a landlord though.

Nath,
@Nath@aussie.zone avatar

There should be a law against owning properties you don’t live in.

I’m trying to picture what this looks like. Who do we rent from if we can’t afford to buy a house in this alternate vision of the future? There is no way that 20-year-old me working at servos had the capital to buy a house. I had zero savings and a low income.

I see you invoking the Maoist uprising in another comment, but I’ll be honest - the years following that uprising were hard for a huge swathe of the population (not to mention fatal for Millions more). I would not want to live through a Chairman Mao. Modern China happened despite Mao. Not because of him.

Commiejones,
@Commiejones@hexbear.net avatar

Who do we rent from if we can’t afford to buy a house in this alternate vision of the future?

The government. Also if the 10% of homes that were empty on the night of the last census were suddenly dropped onto the market it would cause a massive drop in prices so more people could afford homes.

GarbageShoot,

I see you invoking the Maoist uprising in another comment, but I’ll be honest - the years following that uprising were hard for a huge swathe of the population (not to mention fatal for Millions more). I would not want to live through a Chairman Mao.

If you think it was hard to live under Mao, you should see what it was like before him.

Nath,
@Nath@aussie.zone avatar

I don’t think China was better under Mao than it was at any point before him. And it was worse under Mao than at several previous points.

BeamBrain,
@BeamBrain@hexbear.net avatar

He literally doubled the country’s life expectancy

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

You’re just racist.

Tankiedesantski,

I see you invoking the Maoist uprising in another comment, but I’ll be honest - the years following that uprising were hard for a huge swathe of the population (not to mention fatal for Millions more). I would not want to live through a Chairman Mao. Modern China happened despite Mao. Not because of him.

What was it like to live in China before 1949 compared to after 1949? Please support your assertions with relevant statistics.

Nath,
@Nath@aussie.zone avatar

I don’t know what your point is. China was a shitshow. Both before and during Mao’s time. I don’t live in such a place though. And I absolutely would not want to go from where I am now to being under Mao. He’d kill me for being an “intellectual” for a start.

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

Considering you are confidently politically and historically illiterate I don’t think you need to worry about being executed for being an “intellectual”.

Tankiedesantski,

He’d kill me for being an “intellectual” for a start.

Don’t worry mate. There is 0% chance of anyone anywhere mistaking you for an intellectual.

ZoomeristLeninist,
@ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net avatar

Mao: peasants dont have to pay rent anymore

me, an intellectual: nooo, i cant foresee a world where my wages arent siphoned by a passive landowner!

Rivalarrival, (edited )

The practice of “renting” needs to die in a goddamn fire. Single family homes should never be “rented”. Temporary (6-month to 5-year) occupancy of a single family home should be done under a “land contract”.

Basically, the occupant starts making mortgage payments (principal, interest, taxes, insurance) but title stays with the landlord. The landlord receives only the “interest” part of the payment. The “principal” part of the payment is held in escrow, in an interest-bearing account. This is the occupant’s equity in the home.

If the occupant stays through the term of the contract, title transfers to the occupant, the escrowed principal payments transfer to the landlord, and the contract converts to a private mortgage. If the occupant leaves before the term of the contract, the principal payments are returned to them.

Land contracts build tenant wealth and drive people toward home ownership. 20-year-old you, with no capital and working a minimum wage job, should be able to enter into a land contract and start building wealth.

Rivalarrival,

To drive us toward such a system, we can provide significant property tax advantages to owner-occupants. Investors can only get those advantages by getting the occupant of a property to qualify as an “owner”. A renter would not qualify, but a tenant under a land contract would.

Basically, we phase in an increase in property taxes, and a commensurate (or greater) owner occupant credit. Current owner-occupants will pay the same (or less) than they currently do. Investors who adapt, and convert their “tenants” to “buyers”, will also pay the same (or less) than they currently do. Investors who refuse to convert will pay higher property taxes, while also serving a smaller pool of tenants with better options.

Nath,
@Nath@aussie.zone avatar

I’m sort-of following the idea here - and I appreciate that there has been actual thought behind it.

I’m missing a couple of points though:

  1. Why would a landowner enter into this arrangement instead of just selling the property to someone with the finances to buy it outright from them?
  2. Who underwrites this? Even a Banks with Billions of dollars in their reserve will make me commit a decent percentage of the property’s value in the form of a deposit. If you take that away, the landowner is taking a huge risk by entering into this contract. I guess that feeds back to point #1, but assuming an altruistic landowner who just wants to help people - they’re gambling their most valuable assets against my ability to slowly dribble money at them. If their tenant loses their job or something and can’t afford payments, what happens?
Rivalarrival,
  1. The simplest answer is that the landowner could expect a higher ROI from issuing a land contract or private mortgage than from selling outright. If they do decide to sell, it’s going to be to an owner-occupant, or another investor willing to “partner” with a tenant/buyer to secure that owner-occupant credit. The Non-occupant “penalty” should be high enough to kill the traditional landlord’s ROI.
  2. I don’t think I am taking away the deposit. Where are you getting that?

The landowner is “gambling” just as much with a land contract as they would be with a traditional rental.

The private mortgagee can insist on a 20% down payment from the mortgager, just like a conventional mortgagee.

Nath,
@Nath@aussie.zone avatar

Land contracts build tenant wealth and drive people toward home ownership. 20-year-old you, with no capital and working a minimum wage job, should be able to enter into a land contract and start building wealth.

20-year-old me had no capital, remember? The shabby apartment I lived in back in the 90’s was worth less than $100k, but 20% of whatever that number was would still have been well beyond my means.

Rivalarrival,

A land contract does not typically require a down payment. It usually just requires monthly payments. If there is an initial deposit, it’s more comparable to a security deposit than a down payment.

If 20-year-old you had sufficient capital to rent, you had sufficient capital to enter into a land contract.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-04/…/102639674

Good quality, cheap housing.

Meanwhile the roof in my kitchen has almost fallen out (huge hole in it) and when I reported it to my landlord they instead arranged for a “routine” house inspection next week.

Taleya,

get the CAV to have a peep and watch the hilarity unfold

Nakoichi, (edited )
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

You literally cannot conceive of a reality wherein a home does not have to be rented from a parasitic landlord?

You cannot conceive a future wherein you don’t have to afford a home?

Also Mao is a beloved figure for many because he lifted millions out of poverty and ended the brutal feudal system that preceeded him. He also famously said “no investigation no right to speak” and you clearly need to do some investigating.

This is akin to a freed slave asking “who do I serve then?”

Nath,
@Nath@aussie.zone avatar

I can’t conceive the land not belonging to someone, no. That’s not how our society works. And before you break that, I’d want to take a good look at what you’d replace it with. Because the objective facts are that this system is the best thing tried so far.

Mao did none of those things. He was a destroyer, not a builder. He dabbled and experimented through the Cultural Revolution, and was directly responsible for millions of deaths as a result. After killing everyone with an education he could get his hands on, he used Soviet know-how to start moving from an agricultral to Industrial nation. Forgetting in the process that those agricultural practices were feedign his population. Whoops!

I have no idea why he has such a following. Is it because he tore the whole system down? Is it because he wrote some essays? China didn’t start developing until years after Mao left office.

Nakoichi, (edited )
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

Wow an aussie not respecting indigenous land stewardship practices? I’m shocked.

Man go fuck off back to wherever your european colonizer ancestors came from.

You honestly better hope we never meet. Because if we do it’s adventure-time

Awoo, (edited )

I can’t conceive the land not belonging to someone, no.

This is just basically like saying “I do not know anything about history”.

The land used to be called “the commons”. It was owned by nobody. It was everyone’s land.

It was taken over by a system called Enclosure, in which the common land was stolen from the people and “Enclosed” by a small few people who took over.

I have no idea why he has such a following. Is it because he tore the whole system down? Is it because he wrote some essays? China didn’t start developing until years after Mao left office.

The average lifespan in China was 33 when Mao launched the revolution. It rose DURING the revolution, during civil war conditions simulteously alongside a literal fascist exterminationist invasion by the Japanese. The life expectancy during this period rose despite war because the communists were improving the conditions of the people immediately.

The life expectancy upon Mao’s death was 64. It rose further after his death.

Life expectancy does not rise when people’s lives are getting worse. He certainly made some mistakes, but you are making an utterly fatal mistake here by looking at “x number of people died” in isolation instead of looking at it in comparison to what existed before.

And if none of that is enough for you I leave you with this:

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/91f4d016-5c10-409b-8f29-4cb948d00028.png

It has been estimated that, by the 19th century, 40–50% of all Chinese women may have had bound feet, rising to almost 100% in upper-class Han Chinese women.

The ending of footbinding alone justifies Mao as a positive thing all by itself. Without ever having to discuss literally anything else. It was a horrific practice. There’s plenty more to use as justification, but footbinding by itself is singlehandedly enough to justify it all.

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

Everyone the Maoist revolution killed fucking deserved it. And I am not talking about the environmental causes of the famine that coincidentally happened afterward. But everyone the Maoist revolutionaries killed fucking deserved it.

Awoo, (edited )

Honestly a lot more deserved it over footbinding being absolutely fucking vile but then you’d be at like half the population.

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

This Quokka cracker is making me so fuckin mad lol. Fight me IRL nerd.

M500,

I can think of a few exceptions. But I think owning multiple properties in the same location for more than a specified amount of time should be illegal or heavily taxed.

For example, you buy a home and are still trying to sell an old one. You might own two houses for some time. You might inherit a house and need to sell it.

You might have family in multiple parts of the country or work in multiple parts of the country/world and need a place to live.

A friend’s mom had severe asthma and was told to leave her home state during the winter and live in Florida.

But I have a friend who owns like 3 hours in the same neighborhood just as rental properties. That should be illegal/heavily taxed.

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

But I have a friend who owns like 3 hours in the same neighborhood just as rental properties. That should be illegal/heavily taxed.

mao-aggro-shining

robinn_IV,
@robinn_IV@hexbear.net avatar

Laughing at the person calling Mao a dictator, guess their comment was blocked in here. Popular support and being elected mean nothing because he wasn’t white. “Authoritarian” is even better. And then they yap some nonsense about living in someone’s head when they were the ones crying because you posted a Mao emote.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

Why’s there a murderous authoritarian dictator here? That’s some real tankie chud shit.

novibe,

the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

Sure, and it also led to mass deaths, brutal authoritarianism, and destruction of thousands of years of history.

And it ended with state capitalism and a ruling billionaire class.

Fuck authority.

novibe,

Nice anti-communist think tank talking points you got there. Do you have any reliable evidence that shows it? All the evidence I can find kinda of points to the opposite?

Ruling billionaire class? If you’re a capitalist in China and you even slightly fuck over the environment or your workers you get executed.

Mass deaths…? You likely mean the deaths through starvation in one of the worst events of drought in history, which then never happened again? Or the deaths of the fascist reactionaries that fought against the revolution?

State capitalism? Just go read a bit on socialist oriented markets and the theory behind the Chinese socialist model. You might not agree with it, but if that’s state capitalism, you can give me some and I’ll smile.

And brutal authoritarianism? You literally never read a single source on Chinese democracy. I bet you live in a place that is infinitely less democratic.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

Nice state propaganda you have there.

Tell me, why does China even have billionaires?

You can parrot off all you want, we can see with our own eyes what China is.

novibe,

If you want a serious answer:

If communism is “from each according to their will, and to each according to their need”, productive forces must be immensely higher than what had been achieved in the USSR with central planning, or even in capitalist countries like the US. They devised a system of “socialist oriented markets”, where the state under the communist party would guide capital markets but allow certain liberties for a new capitalist class to emerge and through the profit incentive internally develop the productive forces. But all this with much more control and limitations than in a capitalist country.

You can argue this isn’t socialism, and that it’s “bad”. But if we want to argue facts, China has seen the biggest increase in productive forces in the history of humanity. And coupled with that the biggest increase in quality of life as well.

I’m not gonna say I 100% support China or the Chinese model, but I am cautiously optimistic. Specially in the last couple of years. Seeing videos of people travelling to Chengdu, Chongqin, Harbin etc. truly looks like the future.

You can indeed see China with your own eyes. I suggest watching some travel videos. And if possible, go there. You would see how much their system is working, like it or not.

Marsupial, (edited )
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

I’ve been to China, and I’ve hosted countless Chinese teachers and students over the years. I’m well informed on what China is.

Taking a lot of people out of poverty is great, but that could have just as easily been done without the mock trials, cult of personality, massacres, or cannibalism.

Authoritarian regimes are not and never will be the answer, they are the enemy of the people. Defending or simping for them makes you also one of those enemies.

And while ML’s might promote that economic nonsense, an anarchist would understand:

“All is for all! If the man and the woman bear their fair share of work, they have a right to their fair share of all that is produced by all, and that share is enough to secure them well-being. No more of such vague formulas as “The right to work,” or “To each the whole result of his labour.” What we proclaim is THE RIGHT TO WELL-BEING: WELL-BEING FOR ALL!”

Nakoichi, (edited )

“cannibalism” bro that is some racist ass bullshit. Kindly please stop talking.

From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

I don’t know what you’re smoking but you sound a lot like a racist reactionary libertarian.

Also you are the one being vague.

Quokka, more like crakkka

Marsupial, (edited )
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

It’s not racism, you’re just ignorant of Chinese history.

The official record shows an estimated death toll from 100,000 to 150,000. Methods of slaughter included beheading, beating, live burial, stoning, drowning, boiling, and disemboweling.

[…]

In certain areas including Wuxuan County and Wuming District, massive human cannibalism occurred even though no famine existed

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre

Even the CCP acknowledges the cannibalism, yet you deny it and cry racism.

It’s becoming blatantly obvious you don’t actually know much about China (or anarchism if you keep parroting ML), so I’m going to end this here.

novibe, (edited )

The mock trials was during the cultural revolution, which was a movement born from the students and had nothing to do with Mao or the CPC. And again, cannibalism is just a ridiculous accusation to throw, as if that happened it would’ve only happened during the great famine, which was mostly caused by natural events.

I don’t “defend” or “simp” anyone. I just look objectively at facts and can do so without the bias and judgement of American fascist think tanks. One of the benefits of being from the global south I guess.

Also, authoritarian is extremely misleading. That is a useless category. China is no more authoritarian than France or the US. The chairman in the CPC has as much power or likely less than the US president.

Local democracy in China is leagues above what’s in the US and Europe.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

Mao directly called for the Cultural Revolution and was instrumental in it, alongside his pathetic little red book.

And no, the Guangxi Massacre’s and the cannibalism happened years after and not in places of famine.

France and the US are authoritarian, but not to the same degree as China. You can freely and publicly criticise the government in those countries, good luck doing that in China.

Local democracy in China is a joke, orders are top down from party officials and carried out by prefecture leaders. It’s almost as much as a sham as Western representative democracy.

HornyOnMain, (edited )
@HornyOnMain@lemmy.ml avatar

tankie chud shit

The user you’re responding to is a long time anarchist who’s been active in various indigenous anarchist orgs for at least the last several years and has hosted multiple fund raiders for them through the site. He’s not exactly a tankie unless you consider him being rude and praising the number one landlord basher a single time to instantly outweigh all the anarchist praxis he’s been doing for years.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

Oh please don’t give me that shit.

No anarchist is going to praise Mao or China. They’re an ML kiddie.

We know exactly what you lot do to us given a chance, you’ll turn your guns on us just like you did in Spain.

Nakoichi,

So I was informed you were talking shit about me and could not see it so I had to make an account to ask you to kindly touch some fucking grass. I do tons of organizing with MLs and Maoists and none of them are going to “turn the guns on me”. People like you however I am very worried about calling the cops on us.

Also Mao was an anarchist in college lol.

Like I said, no investigation no right to speak.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

I blocked your shitty instances as somehow Hexbear and .ml got back into my feed. Good to see you got off the propaganda platforms. Maybe you can learn something while you’re here.

Also I find the idea of your little chat groups hilarious, I hope you’re still talking and thinking about me.

Nakoichi,

blocked your racist ass too. And you are the one that replied to me so it’s funny you are still thinking about us.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

Okay tankie, bye!

Salvo,
@Salvo@aussie.zone avatar

Ironic that Mao is discussed and the biggest culprits in the housing market are (allegedly) Chinese nationals.

Reportedly, in certain Chinese cultures, men (and young men) do not have access to women and you women unless they are a land owner. It doesn’t matter if the land they own is a single-room apartment that has room for half a single bed and never has any tenants, they own land so they get a root. This also explains all those huge ghost cities in China which are all unoccupied high-rises.

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

You and everyone else talking shit about China are not doing so in a principled manner and are displaying incredible amounts of racism and chauvinism.

Commiejones,
@Commiejones@hexbear.net avatar

Wow! this is some of the stupidest shit I have heard in days. There are more citizens of the USA and UK that own property in Australia than Chinese citizens.

Your “reportedly” statement is made up bullshit and the “ghost cities” were a lie. they are now full of people. Our backwards ass government can’t conceive of infrastructure until a decade after its needed and then they get bent over the barrel with budget blowouts that cost the taxpayers double the original stated costs. Meanwhile China spent a bunch of money during the financial crisis when materials and labor were cheap to build infrastructure and you act like it is a bad thing.

Salvo,
@Salvo@aussie.zone avatar

thebureau.news/…/fake-chinese-income-mortgages-fu…

It is continuing to happen overseas.

I am not an economist, so I do t know how valid this is, but it certainly is plausible.

Taleya,

not sure we go that far (in a sane system rentals have their place) but absolutely start taxing the ever loving shit out of anything over the PPR. The more houses the more tax. More. More. MOOOOOOOOOORE. They speak the language of money, make it snarl at them.

And ban corporations / companies / business entities from owning standalone housing and land.

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

Literally the only way to achieve this is through some sort of revolution. Reformism is impossible under the dictatorship of capital.

Taleya,

Mmm, you talking like the sexual revolution or like the Russian revolution? 'Cos you can miss me with that latter shit, change wrought of violence leaves people confused, unthinking and ends up with a new pack of cunts in charge doing the same shit in a different hat.

People who call for violent revolution in the western world tend to pull their playbook out of goddamn religious idealism. Specifically that whole weird apocalypse obsession. One big final war and then all things will be well!!!

Nope.

There is no final goal to be kicked here. There is no final deciding victory. There’s just the unromantic never ending work of improvement. Deal with it.

trk,
@trk@aussie.zone avatar

Yeah, it’s a pity there isn’t a law against it I guess. If I sold that one extra house I’m hoarding the housing crisis would be pretty much over tbh.

Taleya,

yeah yeah, no snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

trk,
@trk@aussie.zone avatar

Of course not, snowflakes are inanimate objects and the cause of an avalanche are external forces not the combined desire of the snowflakes to go tumble down a mountain for personal snowflake advantage.

Nakoichi, (edited )
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

I get what you are saying about this not being a matter of personal individual responsibility, but coming on here and complaining about a telemarketer that you could just ignore is pretty fucking insensitive to all the unhoused folks that you could be helping by just not being a rent-seeking parasite.

mao-wave

The Maoist uprising against the landlords was the most comprehensive proletarian revolution in human history and resulted in nearly totally equal distribution of land among the peasantry.

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