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Paragone, in Idea for a writers' platform co-op

Please read “Slicing Pie Handbook”, on equity & startups.

It is one of the most important books on understanding value in such things, & getting one thinking on it.

frankPodmore,
@frankPodmore@slrpnk.net avatar

Thanks, I’ll take a look.

coopnewsguy, in Idea for a writers' platform co-op

Mutual Interest Media tried to do something like this a couple of years ago. I don’t think their model worked out all that well though, as the site hasn’t been updated in some time. www.mutualinterest.coop

A non-web model that has had some success, and that you might be able to learn from is the Many Worlds Collective, which is a co-op of fiction writers who create stories in a shared universe, and publish anthologies of their authors’ works. www.manyworldsforum.com

frankPodmore,
@frankPodmore@slrpnk.net avatar

Thanks! I’d heard of MWC and that’s definitely an interesting model that I’d like to drawn on.

I’ll check out Mutual Interest, too.

aiken, in I'm looking for some employment opportunity, forming/joining a new cooperative

Did you have any luck?

ZILtoid1991,
ZILtoid1991 avatar

None so far.

SoleInvictus, in Artisans Cooperative: An Etsy alternative, owned and run by artists and makers
@SoleInvictus@lemmy.world avatar

This is GREAT! I’ve been burned by Etsy drop shippers too often so I’ve stopped using that platform. Super stoked to actually get handmade items and for the artist to make decent money off of it.

Astongt615, in Artisans Cooperative: An Etsy alternative, owned and run by artists and makers

What tech knowledge do you need to use Etsy?

alex,

None! The alternatives to Etsy usually require setting up your own website, etc., or getting screwed the same way as if you were using Etsy.

Astongt615,

Ah, I misunderstood you. Thank you for the clarification

Thrawne, in Artisans Cooperative: An Etsy alternative, owned and run by artists and makers

Had no idea etsy charged sellers 30%. I will have to keep am eye on this artisans coop

SupraMario, in Artisans Cooperative: An Etsy alternative, owned and run by artists and makers

artisans.coop

For anyone wanting the link and not an article.

otter,

$1,000 buy-in with no trial period to see if this is even viable as a model? Oof. That’s pretty steep. 🥲

cosmicrookie,
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It’s a coop not a gofundme

otter,

That’s not even relevant as my initial comment had nothing to do with a handout, and only pointed out that $1,000 is a huge chunk of money for most, especially upfront for a completely untested marketplace intending to take on an industry leader for the interests of small-time makers and micro-businesses. Don’t be childish.

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Can it be, that you haven’t read the article? Because in it, you’d find this passage

That’s when she found out that there are other ways to earn points toward member-ownership, making it more accessible to those who cannot afford a $1000 expenditure. This is referred to as sweat equity, where artisans earn 25 points per hour by contributing their skills to the co-op

tapdattl,

You can earn the buy in by supporting the site with “member activities” which you can read more about here artisans.coop/pages/membership

Points can be purchased (1 point/US dollar) or can be earned from member activities (such as hanging up flyers or joining a team), sales, purchases, referrals, handmade verifications, and more. Learn more about our Points & Tiers Policy.

Most member activities currently earn 25 points/hour, so undertaking one full time week of member activities (40 hours) in most cases will earn you the 1,000 points you need for membership.

otter,

The application could be better laid out; it should lead with that, instead of hit with the $1,000 upfront ask. Feels off, NGL.

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

But it doesn’t. You can pay with work for the co-operative instead of actual money. It says in the article that they have the point system exactly for this; people who can’t afford the cost

electric_nan, in I'm very interested in Obran, which is a worker cooperative that converts and holds privately held businesses into coops.

Interesting, thanks for sharing. Looks like a lot of in home health care, mostly in the east Bay area of California, and in Hawaii.

burchalka, in I'm very interested in Obran, which is a worker cooperative that converts and holds privately held businesses into coops.

I think human nature is such that any cooperative can work up to a limited size, kind of like primitive tribes - up to 150 people. In order to do your part honestly, you have to know most/all members personally, otherwise an incentive to slack on the job is too tempting…

And then one sees the manager/coordinator, sitting on their ass in air conditioned office, while most others are sweating outside (in case of farms) or in the workshop/garage…

schmorpel,

Please don’t use terms like ‘primitive tribes’ - whoever you think of when using this word might want to discuss the definition of ‘primitive’ with you. Because whoever limits their group size to about 150 ends up being less primitive than those who never question the infinite growth of everything.

saturnus,

I don’t disagree with your premise but I do think the latter two should be mostly avoidable as issues. If the workers are involved in the decisions then they would be able to spend (or decide it is not worth the expense) on cooling technology (AC for indoors or any other outdoor/personal solutions). Seems less of an issue than saying corporate doesn’t care etc.

LesserAbe,

You’re right that cooperatives above a certain size can’t be direct democracies. I do think we need to be able to cooperate at scale in a democratic way, like representative democracy - otherwise how do countries work? (Not very well some might argue) but if we don’t develop an alternative to the googles and amazons of the world then we’ll never outcompete the current system.

surewhynotlem,

Direct democracy is possible at scale with technology.

LesserAbe,

I’m sure there are certain issues where direct democracy would be appropriate, regardless how big the cooperative is. But technological reasons aren’t the issue. A manager is delegated authority to make decisions because it’s inefficient to involve members in every single matter.

PupBiru,
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perhaps it should be treated like a priority list: direct democracy for every single thing won’t work, but perhaps if there’s a monthly vote on the top 10 issues people have (as prioritised by the members of the coop somehow: maybe you get 5 votes to spend however you like in the issues list?) and the rest is delegated

surewhynotlem,

The problem is one of scope. I think we’ve historically delegated more than we should because we couldn’t do direct voting well.

For example, I feel that people should have an active say into which categories their tax money goes.

For managers, they don’t need to be given the same control they have now

snooggums,
snooggums avatar

There are also a lot of things where not everyone in a society needs to vote on something. Do men need to have a vote on the type of tampon that is stocked in the bathroom? Do the other departments need to weigh in on the butcher's scheduled hours?

It really does have a limit where once you go more than a couple layers decisions get made by people who are not involved or invested in whatever is being decided.

Overshoot2648,

I’d argue that this is a benefit. Too many companies are way bigger than they need to be. Instead you could take a more federated approach and have a cooperative of cooperatives. Each location would be it’s own worker owned business, and each of these would in turn get to work cooperatively together to decide on branding and larger strategy. You could have representatives from each store and maybe still have everyone vote for a cooperative president.

Five, in Cooperatives in Portugal - anyone knowledgeable or interested?
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