I don't get people that are here in the fediverse and *want to bring over* the content that is on FB, IG, TikTok, etc.

This has come to mind because all the chatter about Meta federating.

I see a lot of people saying they’d love to have that type of content here when Meta federates, and that those will be the best instances because they will have the most content, but they will still be accessible without compromising their privacy.

I truly don’t get this.

I’m not here for mass-produced content, if I wanted that, I’d be in other platforms. The beauty of these communities is they are not filled with posts that are all the same, algorithms and bots. It’s just a community of real people having conversations.

If you want mass-produced trendy content, please, consume it elsewhere, and when you are inevitably fed up, then come here and enjoy the slow-paced, real community.

PD: I hope this doesn’t come across as wall-keeping (or however it’s said lol), It’s my honest opinion.

straF,

What will stop the bots? Were literally on a platform because the other one cut off moderation bots…

alertsleeper, (edited )

Bots are necessary. But having moderation bots and other useful ones like the one for reminders is one thing, and another one is bots posting spam 100 times a day.

How to stop it? No idea

Edit: typo

Nioxic,

i’ve seen quite a lot of content from tiktok, over on reddit (basically a repost?)

I refuse to go on tiktok myself

But i will gladly watch a 30 second clip if its funny or interesting, regardless of where it originally came from.

i’ve already seen older memes reposted here anyway. not like we can avoid it…

skullone,

The Eternal September begins again I guess

hitmyspot,

Especially given the armies of people who cross post any decent content to all networks. I hope that here, due to no monetary benefit and no karma, it is only for the love of sharing. All the good content will make it here, but rather than being a firehouse of crap, the community nature should make the relevant communities more focused.

I still use Facebook for local groups. I think even they realise that niche communities without outrage are where the growth will lie. That’s likely why they are scared of federated networks. It could easily kill them over time.

Jumpinship,

No karma? What are the little arrows for?

njtrafficsignshopper,

I think what it means is that it doesn’t add up all the little arrows across all posts and comments, by default. Although, I suppose an instance, external tool, or browser plugin could still do that.

anonymous_bot,

Thank you for explaining. I was wondering about all the talk of (lack of) karma.

SCB,

This site is an aggregator. I want to use it to aggregate content I want to see.

It’s trivially easy for you to not be exposed to things you don’t want to see here, so I’m not really understanding the issue

AeroBlue,

Yea, most content isn’t original anyways. If it’s actually good content I don’t care where it’s from

carbotect,

Federation with Meta will probably not have a huge effect on Lemmy. Threads has no communities after all.

It will probably be mostly a Mastodon thing.

ThunderTenTronckh,

That was my take as well but I’m also an ignorant slut so more than happy to hear reasons why I’m wrong

MrShankles,

I’m also an ignorant slut

Just wanted to say that ya made me laugh with that phrase lol. I too enjoy using “slut” in a myriad of fashions

njtrafficsignshopper,

Your username is a hell of a reference, haha

njtrafficsignshopper,

Personally, I am fresh enough to all this that I feel it’s prudent to kind of sit back on the discussion, and am leaning toward the “defederate” option.

However - I deleted my Facebook years ago, and never had Instagram or Twitter. It would be nice to interact with my own family and friends who do most of their online presence in places like that. So I kinda get it. I’m not after the mass-produced content but it would be cool to hear from people I know again that I’ve lost touch with because I’m stubborn about FB.

Just spitballing - and please consider that I haven’t been at Lemmy long enough to know if this is a terrible idea - but what about an instance that hasn’t blocked Facebook and other big corpos, but doesn’t raise their content by default? Like what if you have to actively connect with people on them? Seems like a decent middle ground, until Facebook decides to break it anyway.

TechnoBabble,

It would be nice to interact with my own family and friends

That’s a straight no from me.

We can already interact with our friends and family anywhere we choose, but Lemmy is one of the only general discussion areas left on the internet that isn’t full of the stupidest people on the planet.

Bringing our family here will just result in real identities taking over and limiting discussion to what’s acceptable in all our little social bubbles.

shadysus,

I don’t think this discussion is just about Lemmy

I agree that Lemmy (+ Reddit and other forums) by design are for anonymous accounts.

At the same time, things like Twitter / Facebook/ Instagram are more for personally identifiable accounts. I want to see photos from my friends on Instagram, not random people. I get the random people photos on Reddit/Lemmy

It’s different use cases. I use my real name on Mastodon and PixelFed, and I use this account on Lemmy.

anonymous_bot,

We can already interact with our friends and family anywhere we choose

Well not exactly. The person posting chooses the platform and then other people have to go to said platform. If someone doesn’t like platform X and prefers Y then they have to convince others to also switch to Y. This happened with instant messengers and it happens with chat applications.

hitstun, (edited )
@hitstun@fedia.io avatar

I'm a Reddit refugee and I've been moving all the pictures and videos from my old niche subreddit to my new niche Kbin magazine. I'm afraid Reddit will collapse, and the collection of floaty things I've been building up will become lost media if it's not reposted somewhere else. I like the Fediverse's mission and I want to see how the Fediverse develops. Also, I want to have a complete and functional artsy magazine on Kbin to show the others back on Reddit that it can be done well.

For the past couple days, some of my posts have been making Fedia's home page and apparently other instances' home pages too. It's good to be seen, but I'm afraid I'm getting more attention than I actually deserve. I like seeing art of fantasy worlds and interactions, and I'm not alone in that. But, I'm afraid I'm corrupting your feeds with stuff you aren't looking for, just because I'm doing it first.

LemmyFeed,

Oh snap I saw a ton of floating is fun posts and wondered what was going on lol. Didn’t really bother me even though it’s not my thing, I’m just glad to see lemmy getting posted to so much.

Keep it up!

Madafacatl,

I agree, if i want to see memes o pure shitposts there are tons of alternatives

Usernameblankface,
@Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

Sounds like something that will cause a split later down the line.

sturmblast,

I don’t get why that is hard to grasp.

ComplexLotus, (edited )

Purely text based content is way easier on the servers. If all Lemmy users uploaded videos and high res images all the time, the servers could not keep up, right?

  • consider that they use hardware that is run on donation (or their own) money
Usernameblankface,
@Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

Do people running servers have any options for limiting the amount of pictures and video that users upload to their instance?

Having text-only communities sounds like a good way to attract the right people and be an unattractive option for people who just want max content.

ComplexLotus,

I asked a similar question previously one of the makers of lemmy responded to me:

Open an issue on that or write a bot

… I thought sometime in the future I will make such a bot … but turns out I need to use typescript for that.

njtrafficsignshopper,

I might be willing to help with this if you want to tackle it and are interested in help. I’m newish to Lemmy but want to get my feet wet. What tech stack do you prefer? Typescript is a very short leap from Javascript if you already know it, IMO.

driving_crooner,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

The instance I’m in limited pictures upload size to 265kb.

TechnoBabble,

I really like that idea.

It would absolutely demolish the risk of a community turning into a meme sub, or one of subs where people just post pictures of their Raspberry Pi in some retail case over and over again.

And as long as pictures are disallowed on the main post, people could still be free to post links to guides or other important content that contains pictures.

Usernameblankface,
@Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

Hmm, links to pictures elsewhere seems like it would be less work for the computer running the instance.

TechnoBabble,

Which would be pretty important if we want to keep monetization as unobtrusive as possible on Lemmy.

That said, I do think we need to figure out image hosting at some point.

ghariksforge,

Some government services use twitter to publish news or information. I expect they will be in Threads too. If I can access them through federation then it’s a huge win for the Fediverse.

Buddahriffic,

Even better if they just create their own government instance and post them there, then others can federate or just consume as desired. I really don’t like the idea of the government making you sign up or interact with some for profit business’s infrastructure to see communications from them.

ghariksforge,

It’s better if they did that, but they are not doing that.

KuroJ,

I believe most people just want more content than anything, but with opening it up to all of those other social media platforms, you get all of the junk that comes with it.

I personally left those platforms to get away from all of the social media drama, and I don’t mind less content as long as it quality.

JigglySackles,

I get why some want it. I just wish they’d stop. They want ease of access to all the things they like. I hate those other platforms and have no accounts on them and I don’t want to see them here and prefer the community driven content over yet another algorithm pushing garbage I hate. They always try to spin their algorithms as finding content you want and tailoring it to you. But it’s never the case. They take the vile shit that they support and push that, mingling it with a few crumbs of real content. And eventually the crumbs disappear too. I don’t want any of that corporate nonsense around. I really like a good large community without that influence.

ComplexLotus,

Some automated algorithms can be good for content discovery and discovery of new creators tho

  • if you are to lazy to type in your search term into a text box
  • if you do not even know how to articulate the name of the content you search for in text form

These automatic suggestion algorithms are perfect for mindless scrolling in an entertainment sense … these ranking algorithms justify the massive data collection we witness today.

I wonder if there is another way of decentralized way of content creator discovery without the current drawbacks.

JigglySackles,

I really don’t think anything justifies the massive data collection that currently happens. While “feeding the algorithm” may be their superficial excuse, data harvesting is really there for the resale value.

kobra,

I understand why you want that, and I’m glad that decentralization/defederation allow you to keep that.

I have to ask though, why do you want to keep other people from getting that algorithmic, corporate content if they want it? Especially since this will allow them to do it without giving up so much personal info via apps. (While also allowing us to interact/evangelize the FOSS way > corporate systems)

JigglySackles,

I don’t want to keep them from it. I just prefer they go to their other platforms for it. Because by inviting it to this platform, it degrades this platform in my eyes. I don’t have another place to go to get away from that content, they do have a place they can go to for that content. I’d appreciate it if we can respect that boundary. Keep this place free from the corporations that are destroying so much of our world. At least as much as possible. Nothing good can come from opening this door, and if it opens, history will repeat itself once more because there is always a new crop of people unwilling to listen to warnings. No good comes from aligning with growth at all costs corporations. It just isn’t possible.

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