If Lemmy.world doesn't defederate from Threads, Meta and all things Zuck within 24 hours, I will shut down my subs and leave.

RxBrad, 10 months ago

I’ll say it again…

Threads is a MASTODON-type app. Not Lemmy… Mastodon!

I truly don’t understand people in the Lemmy-sphere getting their panties in a bunch over this.

bathrobe, 10 months ago

@RxBrad

@pinkdrunkenelephants

They arent smart, they’re reactionaries

Adanisi, 10 months ago

And it will still connect to Lemmy, since we all use the ActivityPub protocol?

What is your point, exactly?

RxBrad, 10 months ago

Honestly, maybe the incompatible protocols should just be severed from each other.

It’s novel that Mastodon can technically talk to Lemmy. But why? It’s such a hassle to make it happen – and the results are so messy.

If you want Mastodon to happen on Lemmy, it just ends up being easier to post a URL to a Mastodon post than it is to try and use the “official” federated methods. Just like people could post a link to a tweet or Facebook post.

FaceDeer, 10 months ago

Kbin supports both approaches.

Tatters, 10 months ago

I would not be surprised that after Twitter, Meta’s next target is Reddit, which is ripe for a serious commercial rival. Meta are probably working on a Reddit replacement, using activitypub and their experience with Threads. If you federate already with Threads, then it is a relatively small step to extend that to Meta’s Reddit killer. Maybe federation with Threads will automatically be extended by Meta to this new app. Give them an inch….

corroded, 10 months ago

I was a bit confused about this as well. Once Threads implements ActivityPub, what would federation with lemmy.world actually look like in practice? I understand how federation works between Lemmy instances, but how would a microblogging platform fit in? Would Threads users just be able to post to Lemmy, or would it somehow show up in a Lemmy community when a Threads user makes a post on Threads?

I’m not really understanding how two different services like Lemmy and Threads can be intercompatible.

vaguerant, 10 months ago

Lemmy communities are "groups" in ActivityPub parlance, and groups do exist on the microblogging platforms. Using Mastodon as an example for now, a Masto user could find the group equivalent to a Lemmy community and make a post and/or comment there and it would show up on lemmy.world and anybody else who federates with that Masto instance. In reality, the groups experience is kind of terrible and a poor interface to these thread-style communities, and you lose all kinds of features like the recency/score sorting algorithm, the ability to downvote things, etc.

It would take a true masochist to post to lemmy.world from Mastodon, which is why you almost never see it. I've seen one Mastodon user in my time on the threadiverse so far. Most people who are already on the microblogging side of the fediverse have just chosen to register a separate account on a threadiverse instance so they can have an actual usable interface rather than stuffing a link aggregator through a blog-shaped hole.

Groups don't even exist on Threads currently. Maybe they will by the time they implement ActivityPub, but they may not consider that to be a core goal as a microblogging, Twitter-style platform which has no obvious use for them. This would currently make Threads an even worse interface to the threadiverse (kind of ironic) than Mastodon, which I can't stress enough is already awful. You would just have to search for individual posts by browsing somewhere like lemmy.world directly, copying and pasting the URLs into the Threads app or web site to populate the conversation in their interface in order to reply to the posts and comments there.

In short, using Lemmy via Threads is probably going to be such a nightmare that only turbo-nerds will try to do it, and turbo-nerds are more likely to realize "This is awful and I should just go join Lemmy or kbin or something," than persist with that hassle long-term. Now, kbin users have more justification to be concerned about how Threads will impact their communities, because kbin supports microblogging directly--in corporate terms, it's like if Reddit and Twitter combined into one site that you could tab between on the fly. This means kbin users will be more likely to see Threads content and vice versa.

Caststarman, 10 months ago

Check out kbin, it supports both

pomi, 10 months ago

@RxBrad
@corroded
As you can see here I can also comment from Mostodon, the most mastodon-like app ;-) . Likewise, threads can participate in threadiverse once they federate. That's how federation works.
@pinkdrunkenelephants

RxBrad, 10 months ago

But it’s literally the one time you’ve done so. Because it’s probably a royal pain to make it happen.

I can technically eat soup with a fork. It won’t be easy… or pretty. Much like I can force Mastodon to happen here on Lemmy.

I’d much rather use a spoon/app that was intended for the purpose I’m using it for.

pomi, 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

@RxBrad
I can subscribe to a magazine from Mastodon. This is not too much pain.
But you are right, my mastodon account has another purpose. To true participate in threadiverse I use a kbin spoon.
But I think the threads users are more painless....

RxBrad, 10 months ago

@pomi @RxBrad

Replying from Mastodon, just for giggles. As far as I can tell, the feed for this /c is just a random stream of unthreaded comments, sorted by when they're posted, with no indication which post they're actually referring to.

I'm not even totally sure if you can even create a new post (and I don't want to spam the sub trying).

So, yeah.. it's possible. But by no means an ideal way to do Lemmy.

BananaTrifleViolin, 10 months ago

This is true - the bigger impact would be on Kbin instances that are both Threadiverse and Microblogverse facing.

However, if you go on Mastodon you can see Lemmy threads as posts which you can click through to the hosting instance and also boost (but not downvote). So for Lemmy if Threads.net federates, the biggest impact would be exposure of content to Threads users who then come in to Lemmy instances but not logged in or who could boost content and distort things.

For Kbin instances and also Mastodon it could mean being swamped with content from Threads.net.

Personally I do think overall the Kbin/Lemmy/Mastodon servers should probably not federate with Threads.net. The content appears to be poor and it could flood the fediverse with crap, when really it's still small and needs to grow organically. Threads.net is at 70m users already and rising rapidly, while Mastodon is at 8m (1.6m active) and the Threadiverse is more like 130k across Kbin and Lemmy. Mastodon/Kbin/Lemmy need time to establish what it means to be an independent federated social media network. They can always federate with Threads.net in the future - rather than it being Meta's choice, it should be the communities choice if and when they want to federate with a behemoth network.

JoeKrogan, 10 months ago

Feel free to do so and run your own server. Blackmailing is childish and non productive by the way. I’m sure most instances will defederate from threads over time but they are looking to federate with mastadon instances more than lemmy/kbin.

Anyway thanks for participating and best of luck.

yesdogishere, 10 months ago

I support op. We must have zero contact or involvement with anything connected to zucc, musk or evil greedy shits. Ban threads forever.

InverseParallax, 10 months ago

This is what pisses me off.

They’re guaranteed go do something stupid, that’s when you ban them.

They can’t help themselves, but you can’t do things without reasons. Give them 5 minutes to prove themselves what we know they are.

JoeKrogan, 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

I support defederating from threads too, I despise FB and anything they touch but blackmailing is not going to do anything in the case of OP and it is the wrong way to go about it . I’m on lemmy.world myself and when the time comes I will have the choice to make depending on what this instance does. We all have that choice, that is the benefit of federation.

This is why we should defederate infosec.pub/post/400702

PineapplePartisan, 10 months ago

The entire point of the fediverse is that there is no “we”. Or rather, you can decide which “we” you want to engage with. Look at behaw. When world started exploding with growth, the beehaw instance defederated because they wanted to preserve a smaller community.

I will never sign up for Threads or any other Meta service. However, if the fediverse allows me to interact with my friends and colleagues who have without having to give up all my data to do so, that’s a win in my book.

So feel free to go start or join an instance that defederates from Threads. Just stop expecting everyone else to do so.

jerdle_lemmy, 10 months ago

Exactly. I don’t want to join Threads, but I’m happy to federate with them.

mrmanager, 10 months ago

You don’t give much thought to what Threads wants to do to the fediverse, and your concern is only what benefits yourself in the short term.

Just be aware of that. Many of us older folks have seen this process happen over and over. Threads will start to dictate what activitypub will be, and once it has many millions of users, it gives them power to influence the entire protocol.

And if people don’t like that, they will have to come up with a new protocol and start over again. Which is exactly the cycle we are constantly experiencing.

I think we should not let them into our instances. Keep them as a corporate funded version of the fediverse, separate from the ones run by individuals.

But since each instance owner is free to do what they want, I estimate that many will federate with threads and suffer the consequences in the future.

HoagieBoy, 10 months ago

Since you mentioned us “older folks” I can’t help but feel this is similar to the day AOL joined the Internet.

BananaTrifleViolin, 10 months ago

I think you're probably best shutting "your" subs and moving anyway - if you want to dictate how a server runs, you're probably better off hosting your own instance. I'm not sure we need people in the fediverse who thinks a moderator owns a community - it's just the other extreme from Reddit's attitude that they own a community.

I happen to agree with defederating, but I don't like threats and the idea of blackmail to a community.

Roundcat, 10 months ago

As much as I hate meta and hate the idea of threads federating with us, ultimately you should be able to find or create an instance that aligns with your idea of defeding with them. I would ultimately want the admin of my instance to side with the majority of users rather than drag users kicking and screaming into following their lead.

Besides, if you truly wanted more control over your web experience, we should be more decentralized. Like what the hell are we all doing on the same instance, and being shocked that the decisions of a small group of people is going to affect so many of us. Like we were all encouraged to join smaller instances or make our own precisely for this reason. Like hypothetically, if every popular community was in its own instance, rather than centralized around world, ml, beehaw and kbin, Meta federating with us would not be a big deal. Every community would be able to decide whether they wanted to associate with them or not, and we would be too spread out for it to be worth Meta's while.

Maybe this should be a wake up call for some of ya'll. Spread out and take your own actions, rather than wait for the big instances' admins to act for you.

SmashingSquid, 10 months ago

Nobody is federated with threads because threads doesn’t even support federation yet and there’s no actual ETA for when it’ll launch.

HeartyBeast, 10 months ago

OK.

How to do suggest they defederate from an entity which isn't federating with anyone?

BananaTrifleViolin, 10 months ago

To be fair, they can "prempt" Threads.net by blocking the domains. That's basically how they block other instances.

I personally think the default should be to block Threads.net and federate if and when a server wants to, rather than waiting for Meta to pull a switch. However I disagree with OP's approach of blackmail and threats, and his idea he "owns" the communities he moderates.

notfromhere, 10 months ago

I applaud your efforts for speaking your mind and letting people know of a perceived threat. I’m not sure you’re really asking for a rational discussion on this topic, so I’ll keep this short.

If your ideals do not align with the host you are on, I suggest you look around and fine one that does and/or start your own server.

jerdle_lemmy, 10 months ago

Fuckity bye. There’s a lot of other instances that don’t federate with Threads.

rev, 10 months ago

bye. frankly this post is toxic. if you want to leave then leave but trying to strong arm instance admins over it is low.

s4if, 10 months ago

Here is the tutorial, please make YOUR OWN server if you dislike admin choice. Thx!

Candelestine, 10 months ago

I’m probably one of the loudest anti-Zuck voices on this server, but even I think you should probably just leave.

I like that sub too. But another Instance would be a better fit for you.

TheSpookiestUser, 10 months ago

I’ve said this on another thread too: can we leave this type of instant escalation of problems behind us? Are you even actually trying to solve a problem or are you just being angry and projecting your anger out onto the site to see who else is angry?

You’re out here talking about backroom bribes and threatening to leave if your demand isn’t met - it’s just a website! It’s a cool website, and one I hope succeeds, but still just a website. We do not need to be so angry over it and make accusations with zero evidence to try and drive the outrage machine.

I used to be this angry about internet goings-on and it was unhealthy, I can see by looking back on it now. Let’s deescalate a little and maybe talk it out?

Aux, 10 months ago

Good luck! And don’t wait for so long, delete right now.

The-Bent, 10 months ago

Someone is full of themselves today 🤣 go make your own instance and run it how you want. Until then, Threads isn’t even federated yet.

Ranessin, 10 months ago

Maybe learn the basics of the Fediverse before demanding to undo something that doesn’t even exist yet.