A Mother And Daughter Got Trapped In A Rental Tesla After It Ran Out Of Charge

Hertz put a first-time EV driver in a Tesla that was half dead, then tried to hold her financially accountable for getting stranded on the side of the road.


Now that EVs are filling out rental fleets around the U.S., drivers are going through an adjustment period full of hazards and inconveniences. A mother and daughter from Gurnee, Illinois, became trapped inside of a Tesla from Hertz, which the company rented out to them in lieu of an ICE-equipped sedan the woman had reserved in advance. After the dead Tesla stranded them, Hertz tried to put the woman on a do-not-rent list, despite being responsible for much of the trouble, as the woman tells CBS News.

When Becky Liebau and her daughter arrived to the Hertz counter, they were told the only car left on the rental lot was a Tesla. Liebau had never driven an EV; she had booked a reservation for a gas-powered car, but rental companies are notorious for taking reservations though not holding onto them. According to Liebau, this was around closing time and she had no other choice but to take the Tesla, which appears to have been a Model 3 based on the CBS report:

Disaster ensued for the mother and daughter, who had booked the trip to scope out prospective colleges for the 16-year old scholar. We could easily say this was due to driver error, but it’s not that simple. User error figures into the problems that left the woman and teenager stranded, but the onus rests on Hertz now that it’s bolstered its rental fleet with over 50,000 EVs. Especially when dealing with first-time EV drivers like Liebau.

And it’s not like it was for lack of trying on the part of the mother and daughter. Liebau says her daughter tried getting up to speed on the Tesla EV, going on the internet to learn how to to operate the fully-electric car.

Hertz had given the pair an EV that was reportedly under 50 percent state of charge. The Tesla showed approximately 90 miles of range left, which may have been enough to get Liebau and her daughter to a charger. Hertz, however, did not provide them with an adapter to use charging stations that don’t conform to Tesla’s charging standard. Hertz later suggested these adapters are often targeted by thieves. It’s hard to see why that matters, or why Hertz would mention this — other than to suggest it was acting in its own best interest.

The Tesla’s tires were also low on air and would have benefitted from a top up. What Hertz basically did was hand Liebau the keys to a less than half-charged EV with low tire pressure and a missing adapter for use at nearby chargers. The Tesla went dead as Liebau searched for a charging station, trapping the two inside the cabin. Liebau and her daughter had no idea how to get out of the dead EV, and their phones were running out of battery, too. Again, that’s user error, but no one at Hertz explained the proper procedures to Liebau.

No roadside assistance came from Hertz. The two were eventually towed by a driver they had tracked down on their own, who taught them to override the electric door locks. They were taken to a hotel nearby, and had to pay one of the maintenance workers there for a ride across the state.

Presumably, back to their home. A hefty bill was waiting for them, as Hertz tried to pin the blame on Liebau. She refused to pay the invoices, and the company put her on a do-not-rent list. Hertz only happened to reverse course after CBS investigators reached out to the company. CBS says that Hertz has now refunded all charges and has reimbursed Liebau for the expenses she incurred.


Uprise42,

Hertz shouldn’t have gone with Tesla for EV’s. People not driving EV’s and are renting want something as similar to their current car as possible. Both my leaf, and my current Kia Niro operate mostly like an ICE. The torque is different. The acceleration is different. But the biggest difference is the shifter and that is still simple enough that you could figure it out in about 30 seconds. Other than that it’s a normal car. Anyone can get in and drive it. They don’t need to worry about figuring out the touch screen crap or how to turn on windshield wipers like a lot of people need to figure out with Teslas. Tesla’s used to be the pinnacle of EV’s but now they’re cheaply made, over teched out garbage.

NegativeInf,

Are you technology connections? Lol.

Uprise42,

I’ve never even heard of him until you commented so I don’t know if that’s a compliment or not lol. A quick google doesn’t tell me much

douglasg14b,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

He goes on short eloquent rants about bad “technology”.

rmuk,

And sometimes he explains how they’re “connected”.

na_th_an,

Often through the magic of buying two of them.

thanevim,

I would personally take it as a compliment. But then, I like the guy's rants and deep dives into tech. Your mileage (heh) may vary

CADmonkey,

Technology Connections is a YouTube channel hosted by a guy who explains various electronic gadgets, new and old. He had a series on analog TVs, he’s talked about VCR’s both VHS and Beta, (fun fact, beta failed because it was objectively worse) he had an episode on auto turn signals, and even an ancient juke box. It’s worth checking out.

Barbarian,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

I really enjoy his stuff. He’s a well-educated, practical down-to-earth technology nerd.

AtHeartEngineer,
@AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

This is why i love lemmy, fucking nerds ❤️❤️❤️

lntl,

TC is in the Midwest

ramirezmike,

I’m probably at least average intelligence and rented a tesla recently because it was what was available. I’ve never driven one before and was so frustrated with the experience.

As a renter, you only have the key fob which has a really vague drawing of how to use it that only makes sense after you figure it out. I had no idea you had to press it against the door column to lock/unlock it. How is that intuitive? why wouldn’t it be against the handle?

Had to sit and watch YouTube videos in the car to figure out how to do everything. It was really unclear how to easily turn off the car and the only way I could figure it out was diving into the settings menu to find a shutdown button, only to accidentally turn it on again as I’m leaving.

The manual door release is designed to be discreet! THE MANUAL DOOR RELEASE IS DESIGNED TO BE DISCREET!

Like, I get it that a person who buys the Tesla will take the time to learn it, but it’s a terrible rental experience. Especially when a lot of the tutorials are catered toward people who have the car tied to their phone, which you can’t do as a renter.

I wouldn’t say the women in the article are blameless, but it’s definitely not “adjust the mirrors and you’re good to go” like every other rental I’ve had.

HawlSera,

I would say that a basic safety feature that is specifically designed to be hidden from public View, is incompetence in engineering.

ElectricCattleman,

I mean, almost all safety features in cars are hidden. Airbags barely have labels.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

The more I learn about those cars, the more I’m convinced that no thought at all went into their design beyond “hey that’s cool” (if even that, it probably was more along the lines of “hey, that’s cheap”).

BruceTwarzen,

I still don't really see what's cool about it other than: it goes really fast when your battery is charged. I guess some people are blinded by the big screen, but the whole interior looks like a concept car that was never ment to be released that way. It's all cheap tricks an gimmicks

surewhynotlem,

Hertz is a horrible company. If you have any other option, use it. If you have no other option, just walk into traffic. It’s less painful than dealing with their scams.

afraid_of_zombies,

Had to rent a car last year for the first time in about 9 years or so. I was amazed that even with Lyft and Uber nothing has improved.

ShittyRedditWasBetter,

I’ve never once had an issue with Hertz after probably 7 or 8 rentals.

perviouslyiner,

Is that the company who reported cars as stolen whenever they forgot about renting one, leading to lots of honest customers being arrested

theguardian.com/…/hertz-car-rental-accused-custom…

variouslegumes,

This is the second article I’ve read about someone getting trapped in a Tesla. It’s a shame that a lot of people will opt to blame the user when this is obviously a stupid design decision by Tesla.

Almostarctic,

They are lucky it wasn’t 35 degrees outside. They would be dead.

elrik,

We need more EV charging infrastructure and Hertz should have provided better guidance about charging since the car was already somewhat low.

Four_lights77,

Well - hertz just lost all my future business.

SendMePhotos,

This sucks because it was one desk person, one supervisor, one general manager… Each reaffirmed the poor decision creating a terrible headache for all involved including the higher ups that dealt with this.

HawlSera,

And people really thought Elon Musk was the future

V4ty6BybVXjr,

Fuck all to do with him, but you do you

HawlSera,

I never bought the hype

Reygle,
@Reygle@lemmy.world avatar

Headline should be : Hertz rending Teslas now, definitely not a terrible idea and average Americans not good at pulling levers that aren’t incredibly obvious

Limit,

Some people are really stupid. Like seriously when it comes to every day functions many people struggle. Especially when it comes to vehicles, some people just know that there is on and off and forward and backwards… never take anything else into account. It’s because of this that flying cars would be a disaster, you can’t have these things breaking down all the time or running out of gas. I’ve seen people literally lock themselves in vehicles before, never change their oil, put antifreeze in the washer fluid canister, drive on a flat until the tire ripped apart, evevtually fell off and had to buy a new rim. Some people should really not be allowed to drive without passing some sort of “basic knowledge about vehicles and what to do when something goes wrong” course.

Danatronic,

Some people should really not be allowed to drive without passing some sort of “basic knowledge about vehicles and what to do when something goes wrong” course.

And yet we hand out drivers’ licenses like candy because the alternative is being trapped at home with no bike or transit infrastructure.

CoderKat,

I mean, the article does say they had never used an EV and rented a gas car but got given the Tesla anyway. I don’t think that’s a basic knowledge thing. They weren’t trying to drive something that they were unfamiliar with. Why would they know how the charging works?

There hasn’t been much of a reason for someone who doesn’t drive an EV to know about charging, which is very different from filling up a car with gas. And heck, every gasoline car uses the same gas nozzle, which isn’t the case for Teslas. Plus gas stations are never more than a stone’s throw away, which is more than can be said about EV chargers (let alone Tesla compatible ones).

Astroturfed,

Giving someone a car with less than 90 miles of range and limited charging options without included adapters is pretty shitty. Definitely a bit of user error, but if you’re renting out EVs they need to be close to fully charged. Having to find a charger and wait for the car to charge right after you pick it up is pretty shitty.

the_sisko,

Yeah, I get dinged if I return a gas vehicle with less than 3/4 tank, and yet Hertz is handing out EVs with under half a charge?? That’s some major bullshit.

Reygle,
@Reygle@lemmy.world avatar

Imagine a rental car that needs 8 hours of downtime to rent it again. Now imagine being management at Hertz and the fact they don’t even understand THAT much. Imagine how dumb the average American is and now think about the fact 1/2 of them are dumber than that- can’t find a door handle and are unashamed of that fact.

mosiacmango,

Downtime isn’t an issue if you allot enough cars to always have your rental fleet in rotation. Have 55 total for every 50 rental cars. Have level 2/3 chargers to cut charge time/etc.

Lots of ways to make it a non issue, but Hertz doesn’t care. They will just fuck up instead and bill you for it unless you can get a lawyer or the national news involved.

Serinus,

It also doesn’t take more than 30 minutes to charge it from empty to 80%.

It probably takes a good chunk of that time just to do the paperwork.

Handing out/driving away from a charger at 80% is standard practice and fine. Starting at 40% at the home base is unacceptable. It’s such an easy problem to solve.

Pipoca,

That’s charging from empty on a level 2 charger. A DC fast charger can charge it in 15-30 min.

Having one or two fast chargers at a large hertz probably makes sense for emergencies, because people probably are usually returning them mostly charged.

joel_feila,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

That also sounds like a serious safety problem if you cant get out when the battery dies

skysurfer,

The manual release is what most people grab by accident in the Tesla Model 3/Y, it is generally more obvious then the electronic release and doesn’t require any power to the vehicle.

joel_feila,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

So how do we get guidance but still act?

AEsheron,

From the picture someone else linked, that doesn’t look obvious at all. I would never try that without prior knowledge.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

If I were to open the door with that handle, it would 100% be by accident.

CADmonkey,

Hope it doesn’t fall into some deep water, or catch on fire…

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar
CoderKat,

Jeez, that’s even worse than I was expecting. I was expecting an unlabeled lever somewhere, but this isn’t just unlabeled, but also looks like it isn’t even obviously a lever!

_sideffect,

Why tf isnt it labelled?

ElectricCattleman,

It’s tricky because you’re not supposed to pull it except in emergency (i.e. dead battery). There’s a door release button that lowers the window slightly since they’re frameless windows. Pulling the manual release has a small chance of damaging the window if you push out before it’s had a chance to lower.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

What shit.

  1. My family has owned Camaros my entire life. I was brought home from the hospital as a newborn in an '83 Camaro, took my driver’s test in a '96 Camaro. Both had mechanical door latches, both had frameless, manual windows. Both survived nearly 20 years of service without having to wind the windows down slightly every time you open and close the door. If Chevy could do it for decades, why can’t Tesla?
  2. I’ve also been in cars that had mechanical door latches that slightly lowered the windows when the door handle was pulled. I’m guessing that’s still not fancy enough for an idiot like Musk, so we get the above system.
  3. This whole thing of engineering problems that we have to half-assedly solve just shouldn’t be legal. The DOT should not have approved this design. The electronic door latch is too prone to failure, and the mechanical backup release is too obscure. This would require training. "The front edge of the window switch group is also the backup latch for the door. It isn’t labeled as such and doesn’t resemble any door handle or lever a typical driver would recognize in an emergency, but that’s what it is."
  4. Most EVs I’m aware of have a 12V lead acid battery that runs all the body systems; the lights, radio etc. because regulating the propulsion batteries down to a noiseless 12 volts for the computers and radios and such is a bit of a pain. This should also prevent body systems such as radios, lights and door locks from failing should the driver fail to recharge the car and run out of range; sure you can’t move but you can put on the hazard lights, raise/lower the windows or indeed open the silly electronic doors. You’re telling me Teslas don’t have this feature?

Why are these cars allowed on the road?

ElectricCattleman,

They’re literally some of the safest cars on the road. This is a minor issue that is blowing up.

letsgo2themall,

Hertz is a dumpster fire of a company. I always rent from Enterprise. They cost more but I’ve never had an issue with them or their cars.

isVeryLoud,

Hertz strikes again

HawlSera,

I rented from them once, didn’t have a choice, my car was totaled. They tried to make me pay a late fee for something I returned on time, my insurance agent chewed them out for that hardcore. I didn’t pay those fuckers a dime, and I sincerely hope someone was fired.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve had good experiences buying used cars from them, too. No haggling, just pay the price or don’t.

squiblet,
squiblet avatar

I got stranded in a rental moving truck because they gave it to me with a low tire that turned out to be damaged. I'm still not sure if I handled it right, but I ended up denying the charges for an extra day since it was 100% their fault (still waiting to see if my bank agrees...). Nice to see these people were refunded, but still they were put on the blacklist. Fuck these companies.

UniDestroyer,

The woman agreed to operate a 2000lbs+ machine w/o doing her due diligence. I’m sure the paperwork she signed stated that she was capable of operating such a machine, which means she lied. Hertz may be a crappy company, but this woman is irresponsible.

Ashiette,

Tell me you’re a corporate sellout without telling me you’re a corporate sellout.

explodicle,

What a dirty liar! Anyhow, here’s the electric vehicle to which we didn’t agree.

circuscritic,

Either you didn’t read the article, or you’re just a gigantic asshole.

Wait, nevermind. Either way, you’re just an asshole. Although reading it, and still making the comment, would make you a gaping asshole.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Stupid lady, expecting a car to work like a car. What was she thinking?

XaeroDegreaz,

This reminds me of that Seinfeld episode about car reservations.

youngalfred,

So I’m expected to drop off a car with a full tank after hiring, and I expect it to be full when I pick it up.

Is that not the same for EV’s when you hire?

ShittyRedditWasBetter,

Plenty of rentals, Hertz included, go out on less than full. You are only required to fill it where you got it. E.g car goes out with half, you return it with half.

ramirezmike,

the best part about this is that the rental company will charge you for not filling up to make up the difference… but then not bother filling up the car and just send it out with half a tank.

ShittyRedditWasBetter,

More often than not I’ve found they don’t care and won’t charge you. I’ve had several times where I didn’t care told them to change me and they said I was good.

kungen,

I’ve never gotten anything other than full-to-full from Avis. But yeah, I’ve gotten that with Hertz and Enterprise - usually along with other problems.

TheTetrapod,

Is situations like this where it’s a last minute swap, normally they’ll either have you return it at or above the current level or simply tell you that fuel is on the house.

studly1241,

Good video on how to open the doors. The read doors seem real tough. youtube

hypelightfly,

If you require a video on how to open doors at all there is a problem with the car, let alone a 10 minute video that includes explanations about how the manual release can damage the car.

halcyoncmdr,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

A video isn’t necessary at all. The manual release is in a normal spot on both the driver and passenger front doors. New passengers try to open my Model 3 doors by pulling that lever all the time instead of using the normal button.

tesla.com/…/GUID-3E788A87-9F37-487E-ABB0-82FD910F…

maniacal_gaff,

A video on “how to open a door” is more than ten minutes long. Oh, Youtubers. You’re no better than those recipes that come prepended with the author’s life story sometimes.

collegefurtrader,

Thats SEO. Google rewards longer word count or more keywords or something

squiblet,
squiblet avatar

According to YouTube advice people, monetization works best for videos between 7 and 15 minutes. That's changed now though as they're focused on Shorts, their TikTok knock off. Probably even easier to advertise between a bunch of 30-60 sec videos.

collegefurtrader,

Fuck shorts with a rusty nail

BruceTwarzen,

The worst part is that you can only make it go away for 30 days. I will never care for shorts.

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