I am amazed people are still buying Bethesda games. I was done with them after Fallout 4. I see Starfield hype... no thank you Todd. I am keeping my money.
I liked Fallout 4. There were things that I didn't like as much as New Vegas, sure, but I don't see alternatives that are doing a better job, and that's really the bar that counts.
I definitely shared that opinion a few years ago. I found Fallout 4 disappointing, Fallout 76 was a disaster (I've heard people say it's better now, but I still feel like a lot of the design decisions are at odds with Fallout as an IP) and they were making a lot of poor decisions.
But I can't help but be optimistic for Starfield. It's not just the recent presentation that gives me hope; everything I've seen about their approach to it and their design philosophies seems promising to me. I'm sure it'll still have some of that traditional Bethesda jank to it, but I'm more than happy to accept some jank if I get a proper RPG with some good player agency.
I get that modern games are time consuming to make, but we’re getting well past the Duke Nukem Forever and Daikatana timelines here… and the longer it takes the more disappointing it always seems to be.
See this is actually the crazy part to me. Not making more than one game at a time. Why didn’t they just give these IPs to another team, or have some employees switch gears onto this project, or anything else they could have done to get some parallelism going on here.
Way too much logic with this approach for a game publisher/company to follow. Gotta milk every IP for all its worth, seperatley, to get the biggest cash cow's out of the nothing burgers served.
I mean - they’ve had teams working on Fallout, ESO, and Starfield simultaneously. What work was probably going to be dedicated to ES6 probably got transitioned to ESO or Starfield. They’ve definitely had multiple teams focused on multiple things - ES6 just got deprioritized.
Because it literally takes their entire studio spending 4-5 years to make a game of their scope. It cannot possibly be done faster without massive compromise. They don't have people sitting idle. They're actively completely working on the project the company is.
I wish they just wouldn't announce it until it is like 6-12 months ready from release. I hate these announcements that will inevitably be 5-10 years away.
This statement was made during a hearing, so he said whatever is best for his case as long as he doesn't lie. In my opinion the statement has zero value as an official statement.
Yeah, that's why I wasn't that hyped when they announced it. Unlike when they announced Fallout 4 when it was only like 6 months away? That's the type of announcements I prefer. 6-12 months away as opposed to announcing it then it being like a 5-10 year long dragged series of promotions and teasers.
Oh my god, I've just realised how much of my life has passed. Similar timeline to you. I'm starting to think my kids will be teenagers by the time it comes out.
There's even a chance, if the time between releases increases, I might not make it to the next one after this.
similar boat- graduated middle school, high school, and undergrad of college, and working on my master’s now. I’ll be married and have kids by the time the game comes out, if the world hasn’t ended by then
They may both be Elder Scrolls games but I have 0 interest in ESO. I'm not an MMO player and never will be. It is a different market. You can have two things set in the same world that have different markets imo.
In the Venn diagram of people who will pay for ESO and people who will pay for ES6, I'm sure there's a ton of overlap, but there's probably some ESO players that aren't necessarily huge fans of single player games, and I know for a fact a huge portion of people who played ES5 and will play ES6 will never play ESO. They are not the exact same group of consumers.
Prior to ESO, though, Elder Scrolls was a franchise entirely marketed at people who wanted single player RPG experiences.
Even if it’s still Elder Scrolls content- a good portion of that original market is not going to have interest in a multiplayer experience. Or a subscription experience. Or a”live narrative” experience with gated content windows.
It’s a very different experience at its core, so while there may be an overlap between the two markets in the Venn Diagram, it’s still a very different market segment than a pure single player outing.
They're moderately different target audiences. ESO is probably mostly a subset of the main ES target audience. But I'd say most Elder Scrolls players won't try ESO.
Personally, I will likely buy TESVI if it holds up to expectations (which no, aren't all that high right now, but I'm expecting a better game than Skyrim given 15 years of tech advances and all the money Bethesda has now compared to the late 00s when they started work on Skyrim). I haven't tried ESO though, and likely won't because I haven't had time for MMOs in ages. That's not to say I haven't put hundreds of hours into Skyrim over the years - but that's all on my own schedule. Same can be said for most of my gamer friends.
Now there's going to be overlap obviously, but likely TES:VI will sell way more copies (I'm talking orders of magnitude) than ESO has active subscribers, and likely won't have a huge impact on ESO subs either - not a long term one, anyway. Actually, it might have a positive long-term impact if anything, because more people will find out about the universe and will be willing to try ESO.
Also, the teams behind ESO and the mainline titles are not the same. The main team that made Skyrim, Oblivion and the others is focused on Starfield now, and probably for the next three-ish years with the post-release content.
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