True. Unfortunately, we had a higher than average level of teen pregnancy, so we apparently didn’t learn anything from our namesake. It’s also sad that I doubt many in my high school know that Troy is in Turkey, most probably think it’s in Greece.
But at least the mascot looked cool (like this, but more ghetto). It unfortunately looked more Roman/Greek than Turkish though, whereas Hittite would be a lot more appropriate (and way more unique imo). But we weren’t known for our academics, we were known for sports…
But it is. Troy is in Turkey, and ancient Trojans were Hittites, an Anatolian people. They were gone as a culture by the time the Turks arrived, but the region has more recent history as Turkish and Anatolian than anything else, so I don’t think any other culture can really claim it other than Turkey. The famous “Trojan War” likely never happened, so the affiliation of Greek military with Troy makes no sense.
So yes, I think Trojan should mean “Turk” because it’s currently in Turkey and no other culture has a reasonable claim to it. They may not have been Turks at the time, but Turks claim it now.
“No other culture can claim it” well Turkey sure as shit can’t claim it as they wouldn’t come anywhere near Anatolia until about two thousand years after Troy was destroyed and forgotten. Trojan culture simply doesn’t exist anymore, whatever it was.
ELI5: It’s politically incorrect to use a group of people as a mascot.
ELIHypocrisy: This mostly gained momentum after an NFL team called the Redskins started getting flak for basically using what became a derogatory name for native americans as a mascot/team name. Pejoration is neat.
The pendulum kept swinging and it removed even non-derogatory names as mascots.
So what could be a different legitimate name used to represent being awesome and excelling on a team where you’re supposed to win constantly started getting shut down. Think Chiefs, Blackhawks (switched to the bird not the people), but they keep the name because these are okay despite plenty of people being able to use almost any cultural group in a derogatory way.
I understand it, but it felt like the usual smart changes that went too far. I blame white people white knighting / virtue signalling too much.
RIP Mia from Land O Lakes butter. You can understand it, you don’t have to like it. The opinion of the masses doesn’t require logic, only momentum. Doesn’t matter if the mascot was an accurate representation of someone, by those people, paid, generally loved, white folk will still kill it.
E: It’s okay if they’re primarily associated with white people or the in-group… or certain country people… not some white people though… or some people from certain countries… or some people from certain geological areas.
Americans, Texans, Yankees? Fine.
Irish, Canucks, Indians? You’ll need context.
Turks, Sicilians, Confederates? Probably not fine since they’re too brown or too American. Americans? That’s fine though, even though Americans killed far more natives than Confederates ever did through systematic governmental genocide… Indians? Ok, Dot not feather Indians get that one now… turns out racism is pretty universal but it’s okay if you’re part of the in group. Don’t emphasize what makes them unique or it’s racist… New characterization requires that you don’t emphasize what makes someone unique even if it’s a point of pride or completely relevant to their people.
Does it matter if you name your team after yourselves? No. Still not fine. You have to first remove the name, wait a period, then give yourself the name back. It has to be allowed to marinate in PC limbo like colored people, african american, black, or people of color.
You have to know what arbitrary linguistic rules people decided are more correct despite them all attempting to describe the same thing. Like trying to approximate someone’s skin color/genetic heritage and/or ethnicity.
People first language! Because it’s better if X is first and not Y…despite describing the same thing and fuck you for not knowing any better by not being part of the In-Group!
Conclusion: People can try to logic their way through it all the way they want, but the ELI5 is the true part. They’ll want exceptions for everything though as long as it’s about yourselves… despite some people being forced to be those things against their will or having no to little ability to change where they we from or what professions they got into. Or that names and terms change meaning constantly and it’s a futile attempt to give yourself an exception because it’s all about you, not about others… even though it is lol.
PC police has it’s place. Just like the regular police, they take it too far.
Don’t say overtly racist and bigoted shit. If you do on accident, stop and learn for next time. Don’t shun outgroups for not knowing.
The etymology for some of the linguistic gymnastics is so stupidly human though.
Turks? They call themselves Turks, exonym aside… The representation is accurate to their old look. They’re being portrayed as awesome and badass and not dumb shitters…
If there’s nothing wrong with Americans, or Canucks, then there should be nothing wrong with Turks, Blackhawks, Chiefs, etc lol.
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