happyborg, 3 months ago

@boris
Very interesting thanks. I've been following/helping #SafeNetwork and was wondering about connecting with #IPFS (maybe as a way to host content permanently) so started following the hashtag today and reading up. But it's such a big project!

Your blog is very interesting, and seems similar to ideas for compute on SN. I'll be following your work. Good luck.
@everywherecomputer

boris, 3 months ago

@happyborg thanks!

Happy to talk more about IPFS. It’s actually not about permanent storage, but rather permanent, immutable identifiers - content addresses - that point to self verifying data.

From my POV — permanent, global content addresses are a great starting point to build lots of things on, and collaborating on a commons network is part of that.

happyborg, 3 months ago

@boris thanks, I may take you up on that.

BTW it's Safe Network that offers permanent storage which is why I though offering that to IPFS might be attractive.

Safe has both CA for immutable data and fixed addresses for versioned mutable data which also has CRDT / local-first capability.

I'm wondering what would be needed to translate IPFS requests to Safe Network, and to allow storage in Safe as an alternative to pinning.

I know some of the IPFS jargon but not what happens under the hood!

boris, 3 months ago

@happyborg

So just like people persist data on Arweave or Storj or Filecoin from IPFS, you’d build a service to upload, and then run an IPFS gateway + nodes to be part of the network.

The most confusing part is pinning != persistence. Commercial providers often all call it pinning, but technically you’re paying them for persistence.

happyborg, 3 months ago

@boris
I think it could be that, or a version of an IPFS client that talks directly to Safe Network.

It needs to be able to check if the IPFS hash exists in Safe and if it exists can grab it directly.

I think an alternative to pinning that is a one off payment would be a useful alternative for data that people want to persist. It also ensures data is always online.

Just a thought at this point though. I've not looked at the IPFS protocol.

Any thoughts?

boris, 3 months ago

@happyborg it’s a p2p system there aren’t really clients.

I think you need to think about use cases and personas and then design a system.

happyborg, 3 months ago

@boris Safe is p2p but you can just run a client that connects to the p2p network (which uses lipp2p like IPFS).

Thanks for confirming that all IPFS 'entities' are p2p nodes. I thought so from reading but wasn't sure.

Wrt 'personas' etc is there somewhere you would suggest to start? Just looking at ipfs.io is overwhelming. I though I might start with the GUI to get an overview but any tips for reading would be welcome.

boris, 3 months ago

@happyborg you can browse code projects at Awesome IPFS https://github.com/ipfs/awesome-ipfs

Persona development and user research are pretty well known techniques.

If you want me to boil it down — describe the service offering you’re proposing and interview some people on their needs

happyborg, 3 months ago

@boris I wasn't sure if you might be referring to personas identified for IPFS that I could look at..

Thanks for the ref to apps you provided, should be a good place to start and again good luck with the everycomputer work.

Afterwards I remembered I've seen something before, probably a video presentation explaining how you do this - vague images of the main concepts remain, but I didn't manage to understand it that well at the time.