JoJoGAH,

Very same here. I delivered pizza in Atlanta in 1988 and shared a two bedroom on Piedmont park for a total of 550.00 month. I was so worried about making it too lol. Now as a person 30 years in my field and making fair money , I am paycheck to paycheck with little ability to save. To be fair, I’ve started over a couple of times , divorce etc. Starting over is expensive and takes a long leveling off but this economy is adding a lot of time on it.

FormerlyChucks,

I’m going to be deadass with you brother. When I say it’s every single time, I mean it’s Every. Single. Time.

LemmyWinks666,

The only reason I still live in Ohio. My salary is almost double the median income, and I’m still just barely staying out of the paycheck to paycheck life while paying my spouses way through school. I wouldn’t have been able to afford a house anywhere else with just my income and maintain what semblance of a life we do have.

The perks of living in the decaying rust belt I guess.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

I just cut straight to the pie and set up camp in the wilderness. Pretty cheap, but the HOA are a pain.

Rodeo,

This really highlights just how subjective “paycheck to paycheck” is.

Lot of people out there who can’t afford to pay for their spouse’s school but still wouldn’t call themselves paycheck to paycheck.

LemmyWinks666, (edited )

No doubt. Ten years ago, that same phrase would’ve meant I had to decide between gas and food on Wednesday.

Now it’s enough to pay the bills and tuition after we lost their income because of covid. I’m constantly teetering on overdrafts thanks to the financial obligations we have from when there was 40k more a year in the bank. Sure, it might not be for the same reasons, but it’s a similar situation. It left me with no room for savings. You can be broke and make good money, due to situations beyond your control.

I came from three generations of broke people on both sides. It’s not like I don’t get it. Just decided to prioritize the betterment of someone I care about, and not remain in crushing debt for the rest of my life. I drive a 13 year old truck. My phone is 4 years old. We shop at discount grocery stores. I’m not just blowing it.

Point being, if I lived anywhere else but Ohio or some equally inexpensive state, I would have lost everything by now.

rab,

I’m top 5 percent of earners in my city but I can’t take out a mortgage on a 1 bedroom apartment built in 1971

Fuck Canada I can’t wait till someone nukes this place

AlternActive,

And yet you have it so easy compared to most of us. Canada for me would be a blessing compared to my current country.

But hey, atleast the weather is great and alcohol is cheap.

4 bedroom houses are going for 1+ million lol

rab,

Apartments in Canada are almost 1 million in certain cities

AlternActive,

Same here (Madeira Island, Portugal), however medium wages would be under 1000/month.

Oderus,

Fuck Canada I can’t wait till someone nukes this place

A tad extreme no? Jesus.

rab,

Only thing that will make housing cheaper is that or an earthquake lol. It was a joke, by the way

vaultdweller013,

Earthquakes wont do shit. Source I am Californian.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

If anything I can imagine earthquakes make it worse. I assume they’d Shock Doctrine all of that newly cleared space and build condos that they sell for ten times as much as whatever stood there before… But I don’t know, I’m not a seismologist.

rab,

Here in BC we are waiting for “the big one”

It will definitely help. Lol

Socialphilosopher,

Wow perfect. The house I stayed in two years ago for 800 TL is now 8000 TL. I’m in Turkiye

omfgnuts,

800tl two years ago? where exactly are you in Turkey? 3 years ago I paid 3500 tl in antalya, now it’s like 15k

fubbernuckin,

What community am i in?

Zengen,

Boston

Rentlar,

I woke up this morning, and the sun was gone…

Boldizzle,
@Boldizzle@lemmy.world avatar

Turned on some music to start my day and dreamed of the house I’d never own…

Godric,

lemmyshitpost

zikk_transport2,

Yeah I didn’t notice in what community we are, but indeed this post should not be here…

Morcyphr,

Must be a shitty lawyer. Go back to serving.

NathanielThomas,

Becoming a waitress, the murican dream

Morcyphr,

Becoming a waitress, the murican dream

…hoping you don’t miss a paycheck and get evicted ending up in a tent on the side of the interstate surrounded by fentynol/meth heads

froghorse,

If everybody suddenly becomes poor then we call it a Depression or a Recession or something like that.

If everything suddenly becomes expensive then that has the same effect.

Is that what’s going on here? Are we experiencing one of those second things? A “sneaky depression”?

Blamemeta,

The Biden admin literally redefined recession. If we used the same definition, we’d be in the worst recession since 2008.

Catasaur,

Source?

ZodiacSF1969,
unityinsomnia,
Catasaur,

Interesting, thanks for the link - at the very least, things are trending upwards so fingers crossed we are through the worst of it for the time being. Which is probably 8-10 years, it is cyclical.

This is aimed at the person i originally responded to. General thoughts about about political agendas couched in loaded language below. Nothing is apolitical, and everyone has an agenda. The key is to figure out what it is.


“Worst recession since 2008” is one of those phrases that sounds almost like the economy is just as bad as 2008, but actually doesn’t mean much of anything.

For demonstrative purposes I’ll use some arbitrary numbers here.

If we rated the 2008 recession at an 10/10 on the badness scale, rated any recession between 2009-2022 as a 2/10 at the most, and rated the current recession we’re in at say, a 4 - I could say that this is the worst recession since 2008, and it would not be untruthful.

Language is deceptive.

GiddyGap,

Please retake Economics 101.

ponfriend, (edited )

No, we wouldn’t be, Mr. Negative Karma Throwaway. A recession is two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth. The US had exactly two in Q1 2022 and Q2 2022 before going back to positive growth. The US had a much larger recession in Q1 and Q2 2020 before a big recovery in Q3 2020. statista.com/…/percent-change-from-preceding-peri…

Blamemeta,

You still care about karma?

froghorse,

I actually didn’t know that I’m at negative karma. Can’t find it in this app.

How does my personal summed karma score bear in lemmyland?

Blamemeta,

I don’t know either

froghorse,

If my point really isn’t crystal clear

The prices going up has the same effect on everybody’s power to buy stuff as everybody’s income going down.

MrFagtron9000,

Housing is the thing most exploding in cost.

About half the population already owns a home so they’re immune to this problem.

The other half is just moving to shittier and shittier conditions and living with roommates and family members.

Plus this is a very regional problem. Housing in shithole flyover places is still somewhat affordable.

If everything went up five times in price over the last 20 years then it might be a better argument for saying we’re in a depression.

froghorse,

Speaking as a fellow who lives in “shithole flyover” (and is darn glad for it) my electric bill has recently tripled and food has doubled. That’s big.

(We refer to the big cities as “insane anthills of filth” btw)

RegularGoose,

About half the population already owns a home so they’re immune to this problem.

Don’t forget, many of those people won’t be alive much longer, and many of their houses will not be passed on to family, but sold off to pay off debts owed by their estates, and will end up as more overpriced rental properties.

TropicalDingdong,

A “sneaky depression”?

Shy depression.

aircooledJenkins,

I couldn’t buy my own house today. I bought in 2010.

AngryCommieKender,

I bought in 2019, and am in the exact same situation. There’s no fucking way that my house has over doubled in value in 4 fucking years

Fosburys_mom, (edited )

I bought in October 2020 and couldn’t afford it now. I bought with a 15-year mortgage, which I feel unbelievably fortunate to have been able to do. If I was to refinance to a 30-year loan, I’d be paying $500 per month more than I am now, and that’s not accounting for the 25% increase in house value. It’s insane.

GiddyGap,

A lot of people are in that same situation. Golden handcuffs. Can become very problematic if you lose your job and have to move for a new job.

Fosburys_mom,

Totally. I fortunately work in a pretty stable field that is relatively open to remote work so I’m not too worried about being forced to move but I definitely didn’t buy this house with the intention of living in it forever either. I may be stuck here until it’s paid off though. But there are far worse financial situations to be in so I’m grateful to have a job and house and a little place to grow tomatoes. All in all, I have absolutely nothing to complain about.

GiddyGap,

That sounds nice as long as it works out. But the fact is that most people just don’t live in a house for that long. I think the average is something like 7 years. Because, you know, life happens or people simply want to try something else in life. I don’t think I’ve live in any one place more than 3 years as an adult. I quickly get the urge to try something else, both job-wise and location-wise. And then I move, kids and everything. The whole 30-year fixed or 15-year fixed is meaningless to me.

dutchkimble,

You could give yourself a huge discount you know, don’t be so hard on yourself

Bagofbuttholes,

I was just talking to my father last week about this exact thing. He built his house about 10 years ago and bought the land close to 30 years ago. He was a steel worker so not terrible pay but nothing amazing. That house today would be well over 1mil. No way he could have built it today. And we live pretty close to the middle of nowhere, Indiana. I pray I can buy my brother out one day, at this rate it’s the only chance I have of owning a nice house. Even with a STEM degree I’m looking at maybe 70k salary right now. Which I thought would be awesome when I started college but now that I graduated, I feel like anything under 6 figures will be hard to live a middle class life on. I guess I’m lucky I spent my 20s broke and homeless, I have learned to really stretch a dollar.

aircooledJenkins,

Yep, STEM degree: Mechanical engineering. It’s enough to sustain at this point but I’m not getting ahead at all. Feels like I’m slowly losing.

DTFpanda,

Lots of angry people in this thread. Do you all have conversations like this with people in real life?

mushroom,

My wife and I couldn’t afford to live in our own neighborhood if we were looking to buy now. We bought in 2019.

AngryCommieKender,

Same. Somehow my house has more than doubled in that time frame.

walnutwalrus,

server

there was that post about parking meters being $27/hr so I thought this was computer servers speaking at first

Peddlephile,

Welcome to crony capitalism

Canis_76,

Gentrification even affects the rich. Welcome to the 1st world and it’s problems.

SCB,

Gentrification is a good thing and being anti-gentrification is being pro-ghetto.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Wait, so you think the only two options are ‘gentrification’ or ‘ghetto?’

SCB,

What does this even mean?

Gentrifying a place is investment of capital into formerly-poor areas in cities, and formerly-poor areas in cities were poor because they were ghettos, generally as a result of redlining, white flight, or both.

We should be gentrifying every inner city, subsidizing current-occupant rent as it climbs, and lifting people out of the ghettos we built.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So you think every neighborhood with poor people in it is a ‘ghetto?’

SCB,

No I think when you shove a bunch of “undesirables” into an area by literally not letting them get loans or see houses outside of that area, you create ghettos.

You may wanna give “redlining” a Google, and then search up the history of places you want to “protect” from gentrification. You’ll find the two are nearly always connected.

We owe it to the people who live there to financially apologize for the atrocities we committed upon them and their families in the past.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Now you’re suggesting every black neighborhood is a ghetto. Wow.

SCB,

You literally could not take this in worse faith if you tried.

Frankly you’re coming across as pretty racist.

keefshape,

👆

keefshape,

Way to purposely take it wrong. Not obvious at all.

dragonflyteaparty,

We should financially apologize for the atrocities and lift people up like you suggest, but that’s not what gentrification means. The other commenter was right. Gentrification means upgrading an area and displacing those who live there.

gentrification jĕn″trə-fĭ-kā′shən noun

  • The restoration and upgrading of deteriorated urban property by middle-class or affluent people, often resulting in displacement of lower-income people.
  • The process of renewal and rebuilding accompanying the influx of middle class or affluent people into deteriorating areas that often displaces earlier usually poorer residents.
  • The restoration of run-down urban areas by the middle class (resulting in the displacement of low-income residents).

www.wordnik.com/words/gentrification

SCB, (edited )

Displacing people isn’t a requirement, it’s an externality, and one which I addressed very specifically.

Worth noting that even displaced people end up wealthier when gentrification happens.

bigboig,

Dude, you need to google gentrification, it’s specifically a negative thing. You’re just using the word wrong.

keefshape,

👆

Not_Alec_Baldwin,

Gentrification comes from the root word “Gentry” referring to the upper or ruling class.

It’s literally the upper class moving in, displacing the lower or middle class. The word is classist by definition.

AngryAnusHornets,

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  • SCB,

    Imagine responding to my comment so passionately without reading it at all, and ending up arguing for poor people to stay poor.

    What a fucking bizarre worldview.

    Gladaed,

    Depends on your definition of gentrification. Most Americans do not associate renovation/upkeep/modernization but undue rent increase with minor changes to the space, I feel.

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