Not yet! There is at least one in development, but the Kbin API hasn't been turned on yet since Kbin is so much newer than Lemmy, so it relies on scraping the web right now.
Alright, fair enough. Looking forward to when one becomes available! I prefer kbin on pc right now but don't wanna be switching platform between pc & phone all the time
I agree that kbin is less buggy. However there’s something in the user interface that confuses me a little, mostly with the way pictures are placed in the feeds.
But it’s more polished and theres a great "feel" to it. Can’t wait to see where it goes.
How do you subscribe to lemmy communities from kbin? I have an account on there can look at the local stuff, but struggling to search and find things lemmy wide.
Ah I've probably been getting syntax wrong. Was not using the @ and trying full address like on lemmy search, amongst other formats. Thanks will give it another go
Federation has been janky. The whole site has been janky, with 500 and 503 errors, and all sorts of things.
It's just going through growing pains.
If you look at the main page, using 'All' (under the hamburger menu), a lot of what you see there will actually be from remote communities. Currently, kbin doesn't do a great job of surfacing the fact that those communities are remote, but if you hover over the community names, many of them will be formatted like /m/topic@someother.website. Those are remote communities.
Click on Magazines and use the search tool there. The global search doesn't appear to work. When you search for a community you can search with the full name (lemmyworld@lemmy.world) or just a term (wall street). If you use a full address, don't include the leading @ or !, it won't return any results. And the search isn't like google. Wall street will return different results than wallstreet, for instance.
I've just managed to find a community instead of the general search results from general. Used the @lemmyworld@lemmy.world I'm guessing reading everyones experiences that's its just a bit flaky and probably more likely when i've search is the issue not what . thanks for the tips
When you are the first person from your instance to subscribe to another instances community, it takes up to 15 seconds from searching for your instance to download and show it.
I have had good luck pasting the full web address of the instance/c/community into the search.
Yeah a waited a little. Which is unlike me tbh ha. Ah so if its worked for you with full address must just have been a hiccup when I've tried than thanks
i was confused for a little while too, created a few accounts and was floundering. the setup will be different for everyone but currently i have a tab open with mastodon and i'm following a few seperate instances there. then i have lemmy.world also open and i have stuff from different lemmy instances and kbin coming in to my feed.
I'm loving it honestly. I've gotten myself into a complete fankle with I think five different logins, but it's great. I've made a couple of posts even. Having always been a lurker, I now feel more like a participant rather than a consumer. I don't want a monolith, I like the neighborhood feel, having to figure things out, knit up the threads myself.
I need a damn explain it to me like I'm five for how all this works. My brain can wrapped it up into neighborhoods or space fleets but the in an out communications are the part I'm missing.
The Fediverse is like a group of interconnected neighborhoods, each representing a different social platform or community. Just as you might have neighbors on your street who interact and share things over time, these communities can communicate and exchange ideas. These neighborhoods may differ in size or focus, but they all exist within a larger universe - just like planets orbiting around a sun. In this case, think of our star system as something like Friendica (the first step towards the modern fediverse) and Diaspora* (itself originally based on Friendica). And just as there might be traffic or communication issues between planetary systems, there could be friction between distinct Fediverse networks. But ultimately, we’re still talking about a united whole here! Finally, imagine spaceships zipping back and forth through space linking up these distinct points of interest - say hello to the protocols bridging connections between decentralized nodes known as “federation” today. It’s all connected!
IMO that's still better than other sites, where they don't federate at all.
On Reddit, you can screencap something, and paste a static image. You can't see the comments underneath at all.
I expect instances that don't fully federate will grow slower, so it won't matter, most content will be on instances that are open to fully connecting with others.
From my understanding, posts on beehaw won't populate on defederated instances. And defederated instance posts wont show on beehaw. There's also no requests sent or received from beehaw to update the beehaw posts with defederated data.
Defederated instance users can still go to posts directly on beehaw and they might be able to comment, but no one on beehaw will see it. It's basically "read-only" for defederated instances.
World here too on the Jerboa app, I'm subscribed to a BUNCH of communities in other instances and can browse and comment on them all with my world profile. Still kinda confused how it all works but I'm liking it so far
I have yet to figure out how to discover communities on other servers on jerboa. I currently just subscribe to communities on the browser which I then can see in the app.
Couldn't agree more! I tried out mastodon and both versions, web and mobile, are friendlier than Lemmy. But I couldn't get behind the twitter thing. Never liked the twitter format and wasn't really getting through. Lemmy has a better format for me, but a bit clunkier. Sure it will get better soon
You don't need multiple accounts, one account can access all different instances, including subscribing to remote communities. You just have to click "All" in the communities or post list to see them, instead of "Local".
Except for beehaw.org defederating from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, and I think some defederated from lemmygrad.ml.
Also it should be said that edited comments don't seem to pass across the instances. I think they only sync when the comment has been made.
Did beehaw.org defederate from lemmy.world ? I'm on Lemmy world and see posts from beehaw. Is there a way to check who is federated with who like some kind of map?
If I'm not mistaken, you can see the posts and can even comment, but only people on lemmy.world will see your comment. People from beehaw and other instances won't see it. That's because lemmy.world haven't defederated from beehaw.
You can see which instances are blocked here: https://beehaw.org/instances. It's in the bottom of the page of every instance home page or just add '/instance' after the instance's address.
I'm new to this. I have one question. Imagine the following setup:
Instance A federates with instances B and C
Instance B only federates with instance C
Instance C federates with instance A and B
Following scenario:
Someone on instance B posts something and writes a comment to the post
I'm on instance A and I comment on his comment
Now someone from instance C comments on my comment
What does a person from instance B see now? I assume he won't see my comment as instance B defederated instance A. But he should see the comment from the instance C guy. But how can he see the reply when the original comment is not visible?
Honestly I'm not sure, I'm also quite new to the fediverse. My guess is that being a parent comment, B wouldn't see it, but if C was the parent and A the child comment, B would see only C.
Someone else explained this pretty well in an answer. If that guy is correct neither users from instance B nor C will see the comment from the A instance user. This is because the post is hosted on instance B. And A-B are not federated (because of the block from B's side). This causes the comments from A to not be synched with B and therefore also not with C by proxy.
Federation is by definition a union, a mutual agreement. A and B are either federated or they aren't, there is no "A is federated with B but B is not federated with A".
So if A and B are federated and B and C are federated but not A and C, and your scenario happens, the person on B sees your comment but the person on C doesn't see it and can't reply to it.
undefined> A is either federated with B or it isn’t, there is no “A is federated with B but B is not federated with A”
Maybe I used the word "federated" wrong here. I thought it meant "being linked to another instance". To give an example of what I meant: the instance "lemmy.world" is linked to the instance "beehaw.org" while the instance "lemmy.world" is blocked on "beehaw.org".
Yeah, that's federation. In terms of the principle in government as well as its application in the lemmy protocol.
lemmy.world and beehaw.org are defederated. However, this doesn't mean that you can't see beehaw posts as a lemmy.world user, or vice versa. But (let's say you're a lemmy.world user) if you comment on a beehaw post, you're commenting on a replicated version of the post that is hosted on lemmy.world. It is not synced with the original post hosted on beehaw, and you will only be able to see comments from other lemmy.world users and comments from before beehaw defederated.
Thanks that makes sense. I understand that if I'm on a third instance that is federated with both lemmy.world and beehaw.org, and I click on a beehaw.org post then I would not be able to see comments from lemmy.world users. But I would be able to see comments from beehaw.org users and they would see comments from my instance.
Yep the original post on the beehaw instance is like a master record of the post that lives on their server and only their users and users from federated instances can interact with it. Meanwhile the act of a lemmy.world user subscribing to a given beehaw community triggers the lemmy.world instance to archive posts there and create separate self-contained records of them which only lemmy.world users can interact with
i like the choice algorithm for which posts are better than others more attractive, but that's about it, i dislike the UI, it has no API, it's not clear which instances are federated & i can't find my favorite lemmy communities there, i have no idea how to subscribe to shit, it's pretty cool for idle browsing for a few minutes while pooping but that's about it
This will die down eventually: at the moment there are many different independent ideas of how to build federated reddit alternatives that have yet to really be tested for how the underlying systems and moderation tools scale. In due time there's going to be a standard application or at least standard exchange format between the different services, that just doesn't happen right now since all methods are really new and now get "suprise load tested".
That's also why you experience outages and Beehaw explicitly asking people not to join: everything went from "fringe techdemo" to "the internet is moving off of reddit" in a matter of less than a week (same thing is true with app support) and everything is at its breaking point: from the underlying technology to new communities appearing in a matter of hours to days (usually with less experienced moderators).
I'm just sticking to lemmy.world for now. It doesn't have all the communities I want yet but it seems more open than the others. I don't like walled gardens or gated communities. If I wanted a platform with power hungry, elitist moderators creating circle jerk in-groups, I would have stayed on Reddit.
Not necessarily. As someone else pointed out in this thread, beehaw is currently set up so that Lemmy.world users can view and comment on posts on beehaw communities, but those comments can only be seen by other lemmy.world users. Individual instances can restrict what users from other instances can do.
Because it’s a systematic problem. It’s not something that can be fixed somehow by better tech or something. So at best we will eventually get one central instance of Lemmy… which is essentially a worse version of Reddit with only Communists and Techy people.
In my opinion, getting one central instance of Lemmy would just turn it into reddit. Eventually some tyrant would get power over it and we would be right back to the problems reddit is currently facing. The federation is a feature that prevents all that shit because tyrants can only take down small portions of the network.
Yes it adds some struggles, but you get what you fight for. Unless things change for reddit, it doesn't look good. Most people will have more self respect to stick around and the content is going to suffer as a result.
That all being said, if this is a deal breaker for you, I understand, but I request that you give others a chance to see if Lemmy is right for them.
Beehaw admins literally said that they only defederated because existing mod tools weren't fine-grained enough to address the issue otherwise. Mastodon already has those tools, and in fact went through a similar temporary defederation issue.
So, yes, it can definitely be solved by better tech, and already has.... just not on lemmy.
Because it's a systematic problem. It's not something that can be fixed somehow by better tech or something. So at best we will eventually get one central instance of Lemmy... which is essentially a worse version of Reddit with only Communists and Techy people.
It is something that can be fixed by simply developing mod tools. Lemmy as a whole is still in alpha, and the apps have a few bugs. These will be resolved over time.
Reddit is owned by a company, heck, it IS a company. Lemmy on the other side is a federated network. No one really owns Lemmy. It's like torrents in a way.
It's not about the servers, it's about moderation. They have a clear vision of what their instance should be like but they don't have the tools not moderators to make it so while getting traffic from other big instances
in the future when they possibly have more moderators and the influx of users has slowed down on lemmy.world, would it be easy to federate again? i know many instances defederate from others that go against their beliefs or how they want to run the community, but ive not heard of any that have re-federated
I saw a post by one of the lemmy.world admins who said they had a discussion with the beehaw admins and their ideals align enough that they think they will federate again once moderation has gotten under control.
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