If the Fedora group starts doing dumb stuff I’ll consider switching. But so far they’ve been rock solid. While Red Hat is certainly a major contributor to Fedora (the biggest easily) they don’t control it per-say.
I am disappointed in the direction RH has moved in, but what makes it evil? I am certain that a good portion of their work will make its way into open source projects. So it seems to me that it is a good thing that we all hope would be better. And I thought you had to opt into the Fedora telemetry. Is that not the case? If they are using it for design improvements it’s all to the good. If Fedora is selling the information and they force or trick users into it, then yes, Fedora will deserve its inevitable demise.
Yah I don’t get it. I don’t think people realize how much of the stuff they run is developed by Red Hat. I think people still think its coders in their free time contributing but alot of the kernel and other big projects are done by people who are paid.
Not making their sources generally available for download is NOT the same as closed source. The only ones subject to their new licensing agreements are their paying customers. They are very much pushing against the spirit of FOSS licenses but there is no potential for some Joe on the street to get sued for looking at their source code.
You think you are talking to a very different person than you actually are.
Not making their package sources generally available for download is NOT the same as closed source. The only ones subject to their new licensing agreements are their paying customers. They are very much pushing against the spirit of FOSS licenses but there is no potential for some Joe on the street to get sued for looking at their source code.
The misconception of Debian as an “outdated” distro is… alarming. IDK but I am running Debian 12 (coming from latest Fedora) and I don’t feel any sign of early deprecation or that an already “old distro”. It’s smooth, stable and usable, like things should be if you use your computer to do other stuff and you rely on your installed software to be there for you when you need it.
People tends to freak out if the latest packages are installed. Stop it, please, security patches are more important than having the latest Gnome/KDE version. Perhaps if we stop selling that idea in Youtube videos, newcomers to this space will not be rushing to install the latest things without knowing if they are worth and really good distros like Debian, which is NOT a corporate backed Linux Distribution, will get more traction.
(PS: in Fedora, you are a guinea pig for future RHEL updates and ultimately, more profits for IBM)
I’ve used debian stable for a decade now. The things I care about are not dependent on new features, so I’m not in a hurry to upgrade to newer versions. I’m happy with security updates and a system that is reliable above all.
Not to mention RH is ultimatly in charge of Fedora, so it isn’t a community distro. Look at the codec issue that came up this year the lawyers at RH told them to remove it so they did. If it was a community distro why would the lawyers care?
I was thinking I was going to wait until Fedora 40 was closer to launch before I migrated all my personal VM’s over to Debian but I ended up doing it today to cut myself loose entirely of IBM’s shenanigans. It’s a shame about IBM leadership, but being in corporate leadership myself I’m certainly not surprised by any of their recent behavior. Where you have any large incentives (power, money, fame), you will see the uglier side of human nature.
Really hoping that the enshitification of these various things, further enshitification in the case of Twitter, brings about a really fun “find out” period.
Sadly I think it will get worse in the case of RHEL. I can see IBM locking down access to many of their products to AIX, RHEL, and in many instances Windows. Currently, GPFS, something I work with a lot, supports Debian and Ubuntu (I think). It would not surprise me to see that go away.
First Linux servers I installed were RedHat 4.2. I stick with RH until 8.0. Then they stabbed us all in the back, starting to charge for it.
Have you RH users been fooled twice?
I switched to the then (and still?) distro that was most strict in commitment to FOSS - heck, they forked FireFox just because of the logo copyrights - Debian.
(RH to kubunto at home, because Debian then was (is?) too “enterprise” for home, and I wanted to stick to the same packaging)
The only other distro I’ve been using is SUSE (SLES), because that’s what SAP suports for HANA database servers.
SUSE should gradually morph the RH fork into becoming SLES, and always provide an easy automated way to migrate, a one way only route to leave RH.
I like the quotes she put up on the screen about Canonical and System76.
I’ve kept coming back to Ubuntu over the years, but ultimately, they are a corporation, and they need to satisfy their shareholders. Someday they will likely be bought out, then who knows?
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