A Thread for Tankies


Tankies welcome

Feel free to share your educated and polite opinion.

Within reason, of course. The strict rules of MoG still apply, but so long as you are fair, respectful and truthful, you shouldn’t have to worry about these.

When arguing your points, try to aim for quality over quantity–no one will sift through Gish gallop. Try to keep your sources at 3 points. When sourcing your material, you should use MBFC and link sources with High-to-Very High in Factual Reporting.

Don’t be ashamed or cautious about linking your main account. It’ll allow others to see if you’re arguing in good faith.

You can insult others but expect to be insulted or banned in return. If you want to convince people, try to be polite and understanding and attempt to find an agreement before a disagreement.

Try to avoid voting. It muddies discussion. This goes for non-tankies too.

Follow the rules.

Some rules are leaner here. You still cannot justify atrocities, but you can celebrate and encourage good things that communist states have put forth, whether it’s art, technology, or sociological progress.


Just as a refresher of these rules:

Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules.

Hate-Speech – You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.

Apologia – (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism or any variation of Tankie Ideology. There is no justifying Genocide.

Revisionism – Downplaying or denying atrocities past and present will result in an immediate ban.

Bans typically only last seven days, but repeat infractions will have longer sentences. You may ask to be unbanned.


So, please! Talk about your woes on our world and its diverse societies.

hey (:(here’s a challenge, try to make your arguments without mentioning the US)

C_raven, (edited )

Just finding this sub, also a hexbear user since before it was called hexbear. I see a lot of screenshots of comments from our site where it’s left as an exercise for the reader to fill in some blanks with “and then they were bad” or something, I don’t know. I’m genuinely confused how most of these could be seen as objectionable when they’re either the most obvious of jokes (and not some schrodinger’s asshole kind of jokes, where you decide if it’s a joke based on whether you get called out or not. I’m taking about actual unambiguous jokes) or are just saying a totally different thing than the title says they’re saying. Why, if you think we’re so awful, would every single post leave so much up to the reader to interpret uncharitably? Surely, once in a while we would slip up and say “the quiet part out loud” wouldn’t we? You’ll find that right-wingers, fascists, nazis, etc can’t keep the mask on so long, so why are we so “good” at hiding our malicious intentions? It’s because we aren’t hiding anything.

goat,

Really? What’s your hexbear account? I tried to make an account on Hexbear, but it got denied despite answering the communism questionnaire correctly.

We’re well aware of the whole “It’s just a joke” routine. It’s a part of the alt-right playbook, afterall. That’s why context is always important–to verify whether these are jokes or not. There are posts in this community from the private communities and chatrooms of Tankie users who repeat the same jokes despite being in totally private environments. Even then, what’s the punchline? That genocide is funny? That supporting terrorism is cool? It’s the same as using slurs sarcastically, you’re still a bigot.

If your excuse is that it’s all jokes, why don’t you allow anyone to step in and say “Uhm actually that’s not funny.” – Because you’re not joking and no one is convinced by the routine.

Surely, once in a while we would slip up and say “the quiet part out loud” wouldn’t we? You’ll find that right-wingers, fascists, nazis, etc can’t keep the mask on so long, so why are we so “good” at hiding our malicious intentions? It’s because we aren’t hiding anything.

I’d like to hear your spin on this recent post, or the hate-speech, conspiracy theories and apologia/revisionism

C_raven,

For what reason do you want to know?

Depends on which joke we’re talking about, if it’s a joke, and how you say “that’s not funny” doesn’t it? Sometimes we mean it, and many times it’s plain as day that we don’t. If you’re having trouble sorting any I’m happy to help, and explain the context of what you’re seeing.

I don’t know anything about the Houthis enough to make an informed reply about this, maybe pick another one. Yes we are anti-Israel because of their foundational and ongoing human rights abuses. No, saying we think it’s good that they’re facing resistance isn’t equivalent to uncritical support for each and every idea the resistance subscribes to. You cannot with a straight face be saying hexbear is in any way anti-semitic or anti-LGBT, that’s really absurd.

There is no hate speech on hexbear. Period.

Conspiracy theories? Certainly no harmful ones, usually it’s in good fun or we have a report from a 3 letter agency directly admitting to doing something. Like the heart attack gun the CIA presented live on C-SPAN, or the blackmail letters sent to MLK Jr. by the FBI, or anything Snowden leaked. You don’t need to concoct bizarre conspiracy theories when the people you’re talking about plainly admit to what they’re doing.

I cannot comment freely on how this sub presents apologia/revisionism here. You do have me in a corner here because of your uncharitably applied sub rules, are you trying to coax me into saying something that will go against them so you can ban me and be done with it?

goat, (edited )

For what reason do you want to know?

Because I want to see what you post to determine if you’re here in “Good faith”

I don’t know anything about the Houthis enough to make an informed reply about this, maybe pick another one.

I pick by what’s said on Hexbear. Okay, let’s go with Hamas then, it’s all the same flavour of “let’s kill jews and gays”

Yes we are anti-Israel because of their foundational and ongoing human rights abuses.

As am I.

You cannot with a straight face be saying hexbear is in any way anti-semitic or anti-LGBT, that’s really absurd.

Have a look through the thread or the numerous others across this community. Supporting Hamas, supporting Houthis and supporting the Palestine and Gaza governments means that you are intrinsically anti-LGBTQ; all of these groups have documented and recorded human rights abuses towards LGBTQ, often executing them in the street, which I’d love to show you if you can handle watching a beheading. You can feel pity for their civilians, which I certainly do, but know that you speak from Western Privilege and that your sympathy will not be returned to you, and if you’re queer, you deserve to be killed. I don’t support the killers of queer sisters, brothers and enbies.

As for anti-semitism, what do you think Hamas, Houthis, and other Middle Eastern Jihadists want? Answer; the complete eradication of the Jews. This isn’t hyperbole either, it’s literally on their flags. There’s also plenty of Stalin praise and celebrating the atrocities of the Soviet Union under Stalin’s reign, which gulags Jews and Queers alike. Same dealio, you support them, you’re again intrinsically anti-LGBTQ and anti-semitic as those are the values that these groups stand by.

If you, a Westerner, separate the good from the bad of (Terrorist organisations and Authoritarian regimes) something you’re not even a part of and are frankly unaffected by, then you are disingenuous.

There is no hate speech on hexbear. Period.

Yes, there is. There’s plenty of examples of Hexbear’s hate-speech documented across this community.

Conspiracy theories? Certainly no harmful ones

Conspiracies like denying genocides, others are more generic, like implying 9/11 was fake.

I cannot comment freely on how this sub presents apologia/revisionism here. You do have me in a corner here because of your uncharitably applied sub rules, are you trying to coax me into saying something that will go against them so you can ban me and be done with it?

These rules are fair for everyone. You will be banned if you say hateful, bigoted things, deny documented historical facts, or try to celebrate and justify atrocities and genocide. You may discuss your opinions, share your criticisms of this community, or talk about communism and capitalism as much as you want. Just know that I’d be banned if I tried to do the same in your community.

randint,

I think maybe we should relax the rule for CCP, Russian, Stalinism, etc. apologia for this thread? I don’t really see the purpose of this thread if those viewpoints aren’t allowed here.

goat,

The apologia is only for excusing or denying the genocides and massacres.

Ginkko117,

Guys, I thinks you overkilled it with strict rules and moderation - there are no tankie posts here. What’s the point then?

goat,

The point is this thread

Toolshed100,

What is the purpose of this community? Like I went through some of the posts, and they just seem like mundane conversations and obvious satire in some places (like them joking about being feds, it’s apparently an inside joke over there). I think it’s kinda creepy to document every comment that’s posted on another instance, even if they’re tankies. It’s also unsettling that you spend so much time doing this.

I mean idc because they’re tankies, but I’m just thinking if it was another lemmy community like !games and someone took screenshots of every comment and post there to repost with their commentary on another instance cataloguing and journalling everything that happened there, I (and I hope others too) would be rightly shaken.

  • I’m anticapitalist (not a tankie) and people taking notes on me gives huge fed vibes and untrustworthiness 😬
goat,

It takes like 10 minutes to collect the stuff posted here – It’s just that common.

You’re also ignoring hate speech, conspiracy theorists, apologia/revisionism, and genocide denial. Why is that?

Toolshed100,

The hate speech etc is tangential, mock it if you want but why is no attempt made at anonymising the posts at least? I left Reddit exactly so that I wouldn’t have to deal with its toxic side, and Lemmy has existed for over 4 years with a generally small and tight-knit community. Do we really want to repeat the behaviours that made Reddit unwelcoming and elitist, when we have a fresh new place to do better?

goat,

And the conspiracy theorists, apologia/revisionism, and genocide denialism? Tell me what you think of that, including the hate speech.

mock it if you want but why is no attempt made at anonymising the posts at least

Yes, I will mock it, you should too. It’s not against any rules to not hide any user information.

Do we really want to repeat the behaviours that made Reddit unwelcoming and elitist, when we have a fresh new place to do better?

Your account is 10 minutes old.

Toolshed100,

And the conspiracy theorists, apologia/revisionism, and genocide denialism?

Same thing as hate speech. It was included in the etc.

Your account is 10 minutes old.

And? Again, people have different accounts on different servers to do different things with. On federation it’s also paradoxically easier to make an account on a different instance so you can browse by “Local” and see stuff from that instance more easily than on “All”.

Yes, I will mock it, you should too. It’s not against any rules to not hide any user information.

Sorry but like I said, I’m anticapitalist and I’ve had my share of people trying to get info on me due to my beliefs. It’s weird how you can document every little thing that happens on that instance and make several posts a day, and still think you’re coming out on top because the rules technically protect you. How would you feel if someone made a community dedicated to posting your comments?

goat,

Same thing as hate speech. It was included in the etc.

What do you think of such content? Why would you want to give them anonymity?

And?

You happen to come across a small community that hasn’t had any posts or comments today, and straight away you start making reports and comments defending tankies and wanting to protect their identity. It’s a bit suspicious.

you’re coming out on top because the rules technically protect you.

I am on top because I’m not a racist fascist.

How would you feel if someone made a community dedicated to posting your comments?

Already exists. Don’t care for it.

loaf,
@loaf@sh.itjust.works avatar

When I first joined ml, I made the mistake of pointing out that China was, regardless of their self-labeling, a communist country.

Whew. I had tons of people losing their minds on me, claiming I was a troll and that I was full of shit. I shared something similar to this, and they basically screamed “fake news” and downvoted.

Those guys are special. https://i.imgur.com/YXI88j9.jpg

goat,

you should post those reactions!

kamenoko,

Don’t worry friend, just another couple of years and China will become a true Communist state, just have to culturally genocide Tibet, Xingjian, and anywhere else that isn’t Han Chinese. Keep up the good fight!

Socsa,

China is a communist state the same way my dog is a vacuum cleaner though

Estiar,

China doesn’t seem communist though, at least not in the classic sense. It’s more so state run capitalism with strong controls on corporations. The population there doesn’t live in a classless society either, seeing as they have a GINI coefficient similar to the US hovering around .4 (0-1 where 0 is equal and 1 is infinitely unequal)

Quacksalber,

China is the perfect blend of communist authoritarianism and corruption, and capitalist inequality.

icepuncher69,

Just a little question. Is it true that the lemmy.world instance is similar to lemmygrad in the manner that is run by tankies that like censoring people? I heard rumors before the reddit migration and they sayed that of the main instances i shouldnt join neither .lm nor .world since they where run by tankies. They also told me to stay away from behaw but i heard they are not tankies just very echochambery.

goat,

Lemmy.ml is by the same tankies on lemmygrad, they used to return the same IP when you pinged them.

I don’t think world is run by tankies.

Beehaw is very safe and handsy with your user freedoms. The admins there are also dicks.

icepuncher69,

Oh, ok. Thank you. So lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml are diferent but not really then.

goat,

Not really, no! :c

MolochAlter,

My understanding is that lemmy.world is largely mainstream liberal/neolib.

The latest big admin drama was discussing preemptively defederating from Hexbear, due to their politics and explicit intent to subvert and make converts.

Credibilovich,

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  • goat,

    Not okay

    (even tho its a joke)

    goat, (edited )

    I’ll start:

    I’m not the biggest fan of Capitalism. My preferred form of Capitalism is present in all first-world nations, guaranteeing rights for Workers and Individuals, Healthcare and Services for the Public, Freedoms for Individuals and Enterprises, and equality and equity for the people. Is it perfect? No, certainly not. It has its flaws depending on Class and Government.

    But I’d still much prefer it over Communism, which needs to rely on other countries or rely on strict authoritarianism.

    boredtortoise,

    One could make a case that tankies are more similar to capitalism and communism is an opposite ideology to them

    goat,

    Considering every tankie lives in Capitalism and doesn’t do anything to stop it, yeah, you’re pretty much right.

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