Aotearoa Daily Kōrero 28/11/2023

Welcome to today’s daily kōrero!

Anyone can make the thread, first in first served. If you are here on a day and there’s no daily thread, feel free to create it!

Anyway, it’s just a chance to talk about your day, what you have planned, what you have done, etc.

So, how’s it going?

NoRamyunForYou,

Just saw that they have proposed to increase Public Transport Fares in Auckland… Not what you want to see when you’re trying to increase usage.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

After someone recently deleted their account and a bunch of posts completely disappeared, I’ve been thinking about the daily posts. I’ve always been against having a bot post them, as I feel like having a person post them is an indication that someone is interested in a chat, and you know if you post in the diaily post that at least one person is following and interested.

However, if the person who posted the post then later deletes their account, the post is gone.

Anyone have thoughts on if this is ok, or if we should be using a bot account so the content is preserved? (of course people could still delete their comments if they wanted to - but this work prevent the OP from deleting all the content).

Another down side of using a bot is that Lemmy lets you disable seeing bot posts, so if you have this then you wouldn’t see the post.

absGeekNZ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

Can you remove bot posts from everyone that is non-local?

Or potentially whitelist a specific bot?

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

It’s a per user setting. In your user settings, there’s just one option:

setting with checkbox ticked with name of setting “Show bot accounts”

It’s enabled by default, but you can disable it. You can’t only whitelist local bots or anything like that. In theory you could just not mark the bot account as a bot, but that seems wrong.

eagleeyedtiger,

On the one had it would be good to have a consistent time for the daily post, however I definitely use that setting to filter out all the bot auto posting articles and reddit posts…

SamC,

Haven’t been following Lemmy development recently, but are there moves to change how deleting posts works? It seems a bit shit that someone can just delete entire threads. If they want to delete their own posts, then fine, but they shouldn’t be able to memory hole all the replies.

I am not too worried about bots posting discussion threads. Sometimes there are probably people who might post in the discussion threads but don’t want to create the thread.

Potentially you wouldn’t have to mark it as a bot? Since it only ever posts on your server, you don’t have to require it to be marked as a bot. People can always block that account if they really want to.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Haven’t been following Lemmy development recently, but are there moves to change how deleting posts works? It seems a bit shit that someone can just delete entire threads. If they want to delete their own posts, then fine, but they shouldn’t be able to memory hole all the replies.

I’m not aware of any real functional changes to Lemmy being worked on. I’m also a bit out of the loop, but they are working on 0.19 and I’m pretty sure it’s backend stuff like a rewrite of the API.

Potentially you wouldn’t have to mark it as a bot? Since it only ever posts on your server, you don’t have to require it to be marked as a bot. People can always block that account if they really want to.

It just seems wrong 😆. I guess if there were no objections we could do this. You’re right, so long as we stay in our corner, it shouldn’t affect others too much. It would still be a bot post showing in All for many people, though.

SamC,

Had a look thru GitHub (because apparently I don’t have anything better to do) and it looks like there will be a “fix” in 0.19 for deleted posts: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3965

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

That’s just comments, right? So if you delete a comment, currently all sub-comments are lost but this would fix that.

I have a brief read through but it didn’t seem like they were targeting post removal.

SamC,

Yes, it only seems to talk about comments. But it seems to me the intention is not to delete entire threads when someone deletes their account (which is good, because it doesn’t make any sense to do that). Whether the changes will fix it for posts I’m not sure, but it seems like they’ll fix it eventually anyway.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Yeah it does sound like it, so perhaps it’s ok how we are doing it at the moment.

As an admin I can see the deleted posts still. The post itself is permanently deleted, but the comments are still visible to me, so a change in the future should be able to correct this retrospectively.

Nath,
@Nath@aussie.zone avatar

I’ve nearly made the daily post several times, as midnight NZ time is only 7pm for me. But I mostly lurk on lemmy.nz.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Feel free to do it! Anyone can do it, there are no rules. Well, not many, anyway.

absGeekNZ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

Just heard on BBC global news podcast, first thing about the new NZ government…removal of the smoking ban.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Yeah, it was recently in the news about other countries considering adding them, then bam here’s NZ way ahead of the rest of the world suddenly deciding to reverse it.

It’s not unexpected, but I do feel like we need to streamline our thinking as a country. I know there is opposition to banning it for people born after a specific year, but the first question is whether it should be banned at all. And if not, then there’s a whole lot of other stuff that should probably be legal.

If opponents think it should be illegal but not in such a discriminatory way, then perhaps they can suggest a better way.

NoRamyunForYou,

I just hate how its so predictably flip flop everytime the government changes on so many things. Govt X does something, next Govt Y reverses it etc.

Havent really done much deeper thinking into it, which I probably should, but its getting quite old…

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I think this is just a symptom of our general move away from the larger parties. Smaller parties tend to (though don’t always) have more extreme views. Labour and National are pretty close in policy, but when you add Greens on the left, they negotiate for stronger left-leaning policies. Then perhaps it would be ok if the policies were outside National’s normal field of vision, but then you throw in Act and NZ First and they each have things that are key to them lying outside the normal box, which they negotiate for.

There is also a worldwide resurgence of further-right wing parties, that thrive on the divisiveness that instant worldwide communication encourages.

NoRamyunForYou,

The growth in popularity of far-right ideas worldwide does concern be a bit.

SamC,

I actually don’t think this has been a huge problem in NZ politics in recent times. When Key and Ardern came into power, they didn’t do massive “policy bonfires”. They kept most of the major projects currently in progress, didn’t mess with too much settled policy, and generally where they wanted to make changes, either did it through careful reviews or just made some tweaks. There were a few exceptions for headline policies (e.g. the tax cuts that Labour cancelled when they got into power), but for the most part we haven’t seen the massive reversal of a huge number of policies we’re seeing this time.

It seems like polarisation between left and right might be growing, which is likely to lead to these reversals, so the policy “ping pong” might continue and get worse as governments change.

NoRamyunForYou,

Maybe it’s just one of those things where it “feels” like it, more so than it actually “is”?

SamC,

I think it’s just that this new government is reversing a lot of the things the previous government did.

NoRamyunForYou,

I guess we’ll have to wait and see what the full impact/outcome is.

liv,
@liv@lemmy.nz avatar

I think you’re right. I was really shocked by their enormous laundry list of things to repeal and dismantle. None of the Key governments had that.

There’s also a weird shortage of things they are going to create.

Ilovethebomb,

I mean, we get to be first to enact and first to repeal it, so there’s that?

eagleeyedtiger,

What do you have for breakfast?

I switched to making my oats with water instead of milk and now realise I’m basically eating gruel like some old time peasant

absGeekNZ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

Every night I make overnight oats; using steel cut oats with water, with cinnamon, dates and chia seeds.

This all goes in the slow cooker, it is ready for me before I go to work and it is ready for the rest of the family for before school/kindy.

eagleeyedtiger,

I’m not that organised! I usually just mix oats and water and microwave it for 2 mins.

absGeekNZ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

Having the breakfast ready in the morning is great; there is no debate and the kids get their breakfast scooped out of the pot and things go fast.

Toast takes ages by comparison.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

When I was growing up there was something called creamoata. They don’t make it anymore but it was basically ground oats, so I like to blend the oats in a blender then cook with water 50/50, then milk on the top with brown sugar. Tastes like my childhood.

These days I mostly make it for the kids though.

eagleeyedtiger,

That reminds me of something we used to eat growing up called Nestum. We would make a thick cereal out of it with boiling water and add sweetened condensed milk.

My kids don’t seem to like oats at all. They barely even like cereal for breakfast.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

A product called Nestum seems to still be made, a rice cereal for weaning babies?

Two of mine like porridge made my way. And the other prefers weetbix but only at 3:30 in the afternoon, never at breakfast time.

eagleeyedtiger,

I don’t recall if it was for babies, we definitely weren’t when we were eating it. Yeah I think it’s still made, but not common in western countries: www.nestle.com.my/brands/dairy/nestle-nestum

Usually it would be made thinner as a cereal drink

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Ah, here’s the one I searched up: www.nestle-esar.com/brands/nutrition/nestum

Looks like they market it differently for different audiences. The babies also miss out on all the different flavours!

NoRamyunForYou,

I used to love eating oats in the morning - just with hot water. So simple and easy. However I figured it was making me quite gassy, and so I’ve stayed away from it for the most part (which is a shame, because I have like 3 unopened bags in the pantry lol).

These days I’ll usually have a couple of pieces of toast, or whatever bread the partners made the day before.

eagleeyedtiger,

Interesting, do you think it could be to do with the fiber? I find if I don’t have enough fiber in my diet and then start adding it again I get gassy. But not if I regularly have a good amount everyday.

NoRamyunForYou,

Yeah, I think I read that it was due to the fiber, and something to do with breaking it down. Though the fiber in Rice dosent cause it - which is a relief because that’s our staple diet lol.

eagleeyedtiger,

Haha yep, they’ll have to pry my rice and noodles from my cold dead hands.

d3Xt3r,

On weekdays, smoothies: oat milk, strawberries, blueberries, bananas, chia seeds (or walnuts), pea protein, hemp protein, arepa (blackcurrant+L-theanine), spirulina.

On weekends I usually don’t bother with brekkie and go straight for brunch or lunch, depending on how late I get up. If I’m going to the Sunday markets though, I grab something from the carts, like empanadas and a coffee, and have it whilst enjoying the early morning sun at the waterfront.

eagleeyedtiger,

I love smoothies, especially when it’s warmer. But I’ve had to cut back as I’m not exercising enough at the moment and tend to put too many calories into a morning smoothie.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I don’t eat breakfast. I generally don’t eat before 12, but will make an exception for brunch.

eagleeyedtiger,

Any reason? I used to do that as part of intermittent fasting. I guess some days I still do and won’t eat until 10 or 11. Or maybe just really light in the morning, a coffee and banana sort of thing.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Yeah it’s basically intermittent fasting, with all rules more like guidelines.

One thing I noticed is I don’t get hungry in the morning except when I ate something the previous day. Then my body just screams “I know you can eat in the morning, you did it yesterday!”, so I just ended up almost never having breakfast.

liv,
@liv@lemmy.nz avatar

I eat whole wholegrain oats with cold water so I guess that makes you a more sophisticated medieval peasant than me!

Ozymati,
@Ozymati@lemmy.nz avatar

Something bit my foot! Literally the first day I wear sandals. I mean, yay, summer?

absGeekNZ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

Summer…well kinda. The weather doesn’t feel that much like a normal summer.

eagleeyedtiger,

Well it’s technically still Spring isn’t it?

absGeekNZ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

True; summer is Dec-Feb…but usually this close to the start of summer, it feels like summer.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Hmm, normally for me it doesn’t feel like summer until January most years.

eagleeyedtiger,

It definitely feels cooler than the same time last year

ColonialSpore,

Katipo, Weta, possum, snail, cockroach,…? Need more info.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Dog? Cat? Small child? Colleague? Could be anything really.

eagleeyedtiger,

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