Aotearoa Daily Kōrero 18/3/2024

Welcome to today’s daily kōrero!

Anyone can make the thread, first in first served. If you are here on a day and there’s no daily thread, feel free to create it!

Anyway, it’s just a chance to talk about your day, what you have planned, what you have done, etc.

So, how’s it going?

Dave, (edited )
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Today after school my kids tried to set up a shop out their window that goes onto the street. At tea time they asked why no one came. I asked how they thought people who needed what they were selling would know their shop was there. The response: "Well we yelled that there was a shop and if they didn’t come we would cut them with a knife.

Hmm, maybe that’s why people didn’t come (our street isn’t too busy, I’m pretty sure there weren’t actually people out there having violent threats yelled at them).

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I’ve just posted this post to update on the status of federation with Lemmy.world.

Here’s the TL;DR:

  • Lemmy.world inbound federation is about 18 hours behind, and slowly catching up.
  • Outbound is fine: If you post or comment on something in a lemmy.world community, it will be almost instantly federated to other users, but if they reply to you then it will take 18 hours before you see it.
  • It was caused by an assumed Kbin bug in combination with a lemmy bug
  • All other instances seem fine for inbound and outbound federation

This is specifically for lemmy.world content being sent to lemmy.nz, so if your account is on another instance it may not affect you (but might - at it’s peak there were 100+ affected instances, and now there are still 20 that haven’t recovered).

purrtastic,

Sometimes federation seems as wasteful as blockchain…

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Haha well block chain is intended to use as much processing as possible, it’s basically doing extra for (almost) no reason as a feature.

At least federation is doing something with each action. Would be nice if they could be batched, though.

I think some of the issue is Lemmy’s immaturity. Lemmy.world spends a lot of time sending updates that are rejected because lemmy.nz is still busy with other requests. More mature software like Mastodon will handle concurrent requests and I assume queue them as well.

We also have a little extra problem where we have down votes. Mastodon has likes, but you either receive a like request or an undo like request. Lemmy has additional items where it can be a like, undo like, down vote, undo down vote, and it’s possible to also go from upvote to down vote, skipping the undo. This makes it really important the order is right, so you get the right end state. There are people much smarter than I talking in the issue about how to solve the issue, but no clear consensus yet.

Panq,

At least federation is doing something with each action. Would be nice if they could be batched, though.

Dumb question: What happens whenever someone spins up a new instance?

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Nothing, initially.

When a user subscribes to a community on another instance, the user’s instance (let’s say lemmy.new) asks the community instance (let’s say lemmy.world) to send them updates (the instance doesn’t get anything for a community where there are no local subscribers).

From this point forward, if lemmy.world is sending out federation activities for that community, it will send the update to lemmy.new as well.

If you’re wondering about the years of history on that community, it’s not federated to the new instance. The new instance only has the posts grabbed at the point of initial subscription of the first subscriber (a few pages of posts, unsure of the exact criteria), then any going forward. Not the history, which it will probably never have.

I believe you can grab a specific post by taking the URL from the host instance (lemmy.world, in the example) and searching for it on the new instance (lemmy.new), but this would only retrieve that specific post and I believe no comments.

There’s no widescale backfilling of previous posts and comments.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Anyone got good places to find more interesting easter eggs for the kids than the usual plain ones or cadbury ones?

deadbeef79000, (edited )

I’ll plug my local boutique chocolates shop: House of chocolate.

Pricey but not slave traded chocolate or giant corp enshittified.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Those look awesome! I’m gonna have to decide what I’m willing to pay, it’s sure in a different price league compared to The Warehouse collection!

I’m happy to have other suggestions to choose from along these lines, as they are definitely better looking than the same boring old things each year.

deadbeef79000,

My back-of-the-envelope scratchings suggest that it’s not really be downing any more, but everyone gets a smaller volume of better chocolate.

1kg of dubious quality but cheap chocolate isn’t a good deal to me.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Oh there’s no way anyone in my house is getting a 1kg egg 😆. I don’t need crazy, cranky kids (or adults).

I’m just looking at the $10-$15 Warehouse options compared to these $30-$60 ones.

It’s once a year though, I’m not against paying that much. I’d certainly prefer these to giving money to global corporations.

deadbeef79000,

… I was meaning 1kg in aggregate for myriad family members, though now I’m sad that someone somewhere is buying a 1kg crap chocolate egg for their child.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

When I was young, one year my grandfather got my grandmother a 1kg egg and all through my childhood I wanted one. Never got one, and now I’m an adult I’d rather just have better tasting chocolate in smaller amounts 😆

eagleeyedtiger,

I’m not sure if they’re doing eggs this year but I’ve heard good things about both Wellington Chocolate Factory and Foundry Chocolate. But definitely a different price category to Cadbury. Foundry is probably wasted on kids, they do single origin 70% dark chocolates usually.

Could also try Bennetts of Mangawhai and Devonport Chocolates

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Hmm seems WCF had 100 half eggs and that was it, all sold out now. And Foundry has a small selection but all 70% dark, so yeah, the house of chocolate ones still seem like the best option. I’m also realising now how close it is to Easter if they need to post them to me!

eagleeyedtiger,

Should still be alright for delivery, there’s at least 8 working days until Easter weekend

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

As long as they don’t ship with Aramex 😆

eagleeyedtiger, (edited )

Haha to be fair, we’ve had the same Aramex driver for 6 years and he’s pretty good and consistent! Haven’t had an issue with getting deliveries through Aramex for a while.

For comparison we’re on like the fourth or fifth regular NZ Post courier in the same time frame. Seems really dependent on your local franchise.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

It’s hard to tell, but I don’t think the issues I’ve had are with the local delivery driver. The packages seem to get picked up from sender, then have no further tracking updates until suddenly three weeks later it’s scanned onto a van and delivered.

Or in the case of some stuff I got before Christmas, two identical things shipped in separate packages on the same day and delivered 10 days apart.

eagleeyedtiger,

I think some local depots are better than others. My only wish is there was a shipping option where I can just go down to the depot to collect.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Hmm, I used to live near an NZ post depot and that used to be what we did. We were never home, so would just pick it up from the depot after work (after their failed delivery).

I guess they have the pickup points now, but only NZ post. I’ve definitely in the past picked up from other depots as well, but I guess no one actually let’s you have it delivered to the depot (except perhaps NZ post letting you have it delivered to a post shop).

Honestly I wish all sites let you choose NZ post in addition to other options, I’d happily pay more to not have to use Aramex!

eagleeyedtiger,

I used to do it for fastway/aramex and post haste depots here where I would ring them up when I saw the tracking say it’s at the depot and ask if I can come and pick it up. They are usually always ok with it.

NZ post however doesn’t advertise the depot numbers, only the 0800 number so it’s much more hassle. But they’ve been quite quick lately and most parcels get delivered over night any way.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Yeah never have issues with NZ post. I never thought of calling the Aramex depot, that sounds like a smart idea.

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