So fun fact about the #osi and who pays to decide what is #opensource : If you add the prices of their corporate sponsorship levels, and the sponsors they have, it accounts for $450,000 of the $524,000 in contributions they made last year. Their program service revenue was smaller than their program service expenses. So the extreme majority of OSI funding is a handful of big corporate cloud providers. If they lose just one big sponsor, they lose a staff member or two.
The SSPL not being considered open source is largely just an Upton Sinclair problem: The OSI's salaries are dependent on the SSPL not being open source, so it isn't open source.
@SomeAnoTooter SSPL is a license which has become popular to exclude Amazon from selling a project as a service. It has an extremely viral copyleft clause: In order to offer an SSPL-licensed piece of code as a service, the rest of your service must also be open source. In Amazon's case, it would require open sourcing pretty much all of AWS if they wanted to use SSPL-licensed code.
@ocdtrekkie what are the advantages/ differences to AGPL? I think there is already a problem of add another standard/license to make all the others obsolete and instead just creating one more(xkcd has a picture about it ad is tradition).
@SomeAnoTooter SSPL and AGPL differ by only one provision, provision 13, which SSPL expands to include the rest of the service being provided around the licensed program. Essentially AGPL's boundary is the executable program code, and SSPL prevents you from getting around that by having the rest of the proprietary service in "separate programs".
(There are literally hundreds of approved open source licenses already, but none of them do this.)
@justjanne What you're really saying at that point is that dual-licensed software or software with a CLA shouldn't be considered open source, and that has nothing to do with the SSPL.
@ocdtrekkie dual licensed software can be open source as long as one of the licenses are actually meant to be used and contributed to and not just to hurt competitors.
IMO, this also means that neither MinIO nor the recent license changes to Element are truly open source.
@ocdtrekkie and SSPL is extremely restrictive. I can't even deploy redis with terraform anymore as the licenses are incompatible. SSPL requires all automation code to be under SSPL, but BSL isn't compatible with that. I can't even run MongoDB in virtualbox, as that too has proprietary components.
@justjanne You could run BSL code that has fallen into open source with it. BSL is unquestionably a proprietary license (temporarily), but I think it's quite pleasant in that it is what copyright was originally meant to be. A short window of advantage for a creator to monetize their work before joining the public domain.
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