It’s funny because living on the West Coast, we tell people the same thing to scare them away, but when you say it about the Midwest, I suspect you’re actually being truthful.
My husband and I recently bought a house here in Portland. We’re on two software engineers’ salaries with no kids so we can very much afford it, but it would have been a squeeze without an inheritance from my grandparents. It’s times like these where I truly appreciate the ubiquity of privilege. If they had been your average Black citizen, they would not have been given the opportunities to accumulate the wealth that I then inherited.
Median price homes aren’t affordable, start home and median price home are mutually exclusive.
Median price home literally is going to be about the halfway point between a starter home and a fucking mansion
It boils my blood everytime I see these info dumps starting off with average or medium house prices.
That’s not a fucking starter home price.
It’s like looking at the median price of a car and then trying to say that cars aren’t affordable for your first car.
You don’t spend 20k to 30k in your first car, you buy near the bottom percentile as your starter. Your first car is like a fraction of the cost of the median.
Not sure what you are talking about. Starter homes are still the same. Basic features, unfinished basement, no garage, 2-3 beds, 1-2 baths, likely 20-30 years old and requires some repairs.
Typically will be farther out of the city. It will be a longer commute but still within city limits. It will have some amenities nearby but not exactly on main street, but enough to suffice.
For most large cities I have looked at, usually is in the range of 150k to 250k. Totally affordable for someone making a decent wage of 50k+ to save up the down payment of 7.5k to 12.5k over the course of 1-2 years.
Where I’m at even manufactured homes are being built and starting at 100-200k. Shoot, my 50yo house was 400 and is now estimated to go for 500k which is wild to me after living here for a while.
I wish I was closer to where you’re at 😂
Edit: my house isn’t too crazy either. 1 car garage, 1 1/2 bath, 1300sq ft
Exactly. The median purchase price for new cars is ~$45k or something, yet I’d never spend that much despite making more than median salary. Things don’t scale like that.
I’d love to know where the houses you can afford on a $140K salary in DC are. Unless house here is loosely defined as a place where you live (apartments, condos), I’m certain this data is flawed.
At min 5% down payment and 140k salary (lets say 100k after taxes), with 1k home expenses per month you’d clock in at max approval of up to $369,178 mortgage, clocking in at a max monthly mortgage of $1,654. Would require a down payment of $19,500
Feel free to check out this link below to see all the valid houses listed on the first realtor website that came up for me, filtered down to normal houses that are at that price point or lower, in DC area
This one in particular is at the very top end of what you can afford, but I’d absolutely buy that house in an instant, decent location, looks gorgeous, etc etc.
Lmao. DC is one of the top HCOL cities in the country. I also don’t think your calculation includes any of the taxes, insurance, etc you need for a house.
The first link you shared, literally all of the houses are east of the river. Talk to anyone in this area about recommendations on living in that area.
Not really. No. Often they are much cheaper. Gas/electricity is a lot more expensive in low cost of living areas, due to transport costs.
$1000 or so is pretty normal in big cities for monthly house costs, most of which is utilities. If your utility bill is over a thousand dollars you either own a tesla, mine crypto, or grow hydroponics.
Or the other handful of expensive hobbies of course. Aquariums, 3d printing, so on and so forth.
Taxes usually are like 200-250.
Maint should be ~100/month if you got a proper inspection done and ensured there aren’t any serious issues.
This doesn’t include major maintenance not all houses need, like new roof, new water heater, new furnace, new AC, etc. Just general passive maintenance.
That number is purely “how much does the house cost to not get foreclosed” which is what banks care about.
$1000 for those costs per month is pure fantasy here.
So do you think that an estimate going from $1000 to $1100 is definitely in the range of going from “reasonable” to “pure fantasy”?
Sorry mate but you are just out of your depth here. These are reasonable numbers and $1k was a rough estimate I made based on a fair bit of knowledge. The fact I actually was only 10% off from a pure eyeball estimate is pretty damn good imo.
$100 doesnt magically make or break any of what I said when you are dealing with the scale of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
We aren’t talking about magical vague numbers here, all of this is stuff you can look up the formulas for and all the numbers are quite public info. Gas prices, electricity rates, tax rates, and entry level home prices are not hard to find.
My numbers in my original post are maybe off by a few % tops. You said it was “pure fantasy” but now we have unequivocally demonstrated my estimates were actually pretty dang close to reality.
These are just straight up numbers you can just plug in and work out, there’s nothing really else to it. It doesnt matter where you live, the formulas are the same across pretty much all of Canada, US, the UK, etc.
Banks solved this shit a long time ago, it aint that hard to go find a calculator and work it out.
It’s gotta include condos…any condos. Like studio sized condo from the 60s in a dumpy building with neighbors that have 3 families living in a one bedroom
Barely scrape by in “luxury cities” where non-millionaires are an afterthought. But at least you’ll have an easier time meeting fellow “undesirables”.
Have slightly more money that will mostly just go to paying for a car to traverse car-dependent hell…but you have to have vapid neo-nazis for neighbors.
My dumbass had a nice 3 bed 2 bath home in NM that I was paying a measley $600 a month as a first time buyer. I then sold it and moved to the Boston area.
They should have also included some rural areas’ home buying prices for perspective against the absurd cost of living in a large city.
Here’s my data to add to the list: bought my house last decade in a rural area, while I was making about $45000 annually, mortgage cost per month is literally off the chart at under $800/mo.
Because the title of the post is “Salary Needed To Buy a Home In The US”
“The US” is a very large country with more rural area than large cities, and there is opportunity for a much lower cost of living out there that people should know about.
Roughly 80% of the population in the US live in urban areas. This graphic is already definitely taking the entire metro area into account, which can include fairly rural areas depending on the city.
People are very aware that rural areas are significantly cheaper. They are cheaper precisely because the demand is low. People either do not want to live there, or they cannot live there given the industry that they work in.
You also need to realize that with a more expensive metro area comes higher median wages, so you’re not necessarily even coming out on top living in a rural area.
Regardless of any of the above assumptions, the title of the post makes what I said relevant and accurate. Refer to the title of the post.
It’s simply not true that good jobs are not available outside of the big cities. How do you think rural people survive? On my road, in a town of far less than 10k residents, there are easily 20-30 houses that are nice as fuck, big brick houses with large yards and well maintained everything. Those people have serious money. Places like that can be found all over the place if you drive through rural America. Likewise you can find shantytowns of poor people in rural areas and cities.
Basically if you have marketable skills, there are jobs all over the place. Taking your skills to where your money goes farther makes life a lot easier. I’m making more than double the amount of money I need to support my family at the moment.
Refer to the title of the info-graphic. Salary required to buy a home in the 50 largest cities in the US.
Obviously people with money exist in rural areas. I never claimed that there were no good jobs. I said if your industry does not exist outside of large cities then you are basically forced to live and work there. Take for example a hardware engineer for a tech company. They absolutely have marketable skills, but the work cannot be done remote thus without changing industries how are they supposed to move to a rural area?
If you have those same marketable skills you can make a ton of money in large cities. Senior software engineers can realistically make $300K or more in nyc. If they go into fintech then they can make absolutely absurd amounts of money. Even in traditionally wealthy neighborhoods like the uws or ues the median household income is $130k. They are not hurting for cash or sacrificing any sort of lifestyle to be there.
Sure but if you live in the city, you have to deal with all the city bullshit, and that’s not worth the potentially higher pay and vastly higher cost of living. I would never live in an apartment again personally unless my financial situation went to shit and that’s all I could afford. City traffic is total ass garbage to deal with, and the crowding of people everywhere, having to wait to get through crowded lines for stuff, the stench of dumpsters in the summer… all that stuff that I never have to deal with here is the value I prefer.
You and I have vastly different experiences of cities. I grew up in the middle of nowhere in a town of 5,000 and I would never even consider moving back to a rural area, or even a suburb. I own a house in a city that is on the list above, but I’d prefer to have an apartment in nyc. As for traffic, live in the right place and you don’t have to drive. I’ve been car free for years. I recognize that is not an option in a lot of US cities, but it should be. I also don’t really have any issue with crowds and I think the trash problem is very exaggerated.
I’m not saying that cities are better for everyone, but a lot of people genuinely prefer them.
No I don’t, I already know that most people live in big cities. It’s super obvious to everyone with a tiny bit of education or awareness.
You seem to have missed the point that I’m letting you know about the options that are out there. People assume that it costs $3000 a month to own a house, and it definitely does not. There are houses all over rural America for $100k ballpark price.
I agree there should be a second dataset, but rural areas have their own issues that people might not want to deal with. Like a lack of entertainment and other services.
That all depends on the kind of entertainment and services you want. If you want nightclubs and prostitutes, you need to go to a big city.
If you want freedom, clean air, nature, and the ability to own a home then you need to get out of the big city. For most general goods and services, you can order it online if you don’t have it available. That’s the same everywhere though.
Using the median home price is severely underestimating the cost of a decent home in an okay neighborhood.
With these salaries, you can afford a house that needs severe repairs or in either an unsafe or really inconvenient area.
I bought a house in one of these cities in 2017 with slightly more than what they say is the required salary. It was 195k with 4.5%. The school district reassessed the house from the sale, my taxes skyrocketed, and my mortgage increased $600 a month. I ended up selling the house after 3 years to move in my parents with 25k in credit card debt.
Today, that house would cost at least 300k and interest rates are around 8%. I’ve almost tripled my salary since then and my budget is probably max 330k.
At current interest rates, 5% down, and an 800 credit score, you’re monthly piti is still like 2,700. Assuming you make that 92k/yr, and are traded at 22%, you’re monthly take home is 5900. That’s 45 percent of your monthly income. “Affordability” is for dinner heavy lifting here
Huh? A typical salary here couldn’t afford any of these. 0.
We’ve literally made our society completely dependent on marriage/dual income. For those of us that are perpetually single and don’t have a WFH tech job that could go anywhere, homeownership is as obtainable as a unicorn.
That’s not home price, that’s salary requirements.a house in San Jose costs $1.6 million, not $375 thousand. You’re paying about $9 thousand a month before taxes.
Just making sure you know the prices listed aren’t home prices, it’s the buyer’s necessary minimum annual salary to purchase the house. Unless you’re Australian, in which case America is actually cheap by comparison
Also cheap compared to Canada, especially around the great lakes region. Across the lake in Canada is one of the most unaffordable places to live in the country, along with the southwest coast
Now that insurances against natural disasters start costing a fortune in places like Florida, and you probably have to have such an insurance to get a mortgage there, it, the costs for housing down there will probably skyrocket soon.
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