Wot The Fsck You Say, Spotify?

Edit: A couple times I’ve said eBook while I actually meant Audiobook. I’ve learned that Spotify has a 15 hour limit per month for their free ‘included in premium’ audiobooks. However these are the two books I listened to for free, and even rounding up to 13 hours it doesn’t make sense, unless they count accidental chapter skips which weren’t actually listened to. But it’s clear now that I know about the 15 hour limit, that they are not counting the time listening to paid audiobooks.

First book I listened to for free:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/457e0cd3-50d8-4501-b931-209463c4bcc1.png

Second book I listened to for free:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6bf4396c-d21d-4383-9337-d9f65d3c1dda.png

OG post:

I purchased 3 eBooks in the Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy series (2 came free) and I’m on the final book. 20 minutes left in the last book and this is what Spotify tells me.

I’m over the edge now. I’ve been putting it off too long. I have a nice NUC I purchased about a year ago.

I’m tech inclined, 20 years of hobbyism, know the linux command line well. Work in IT consulting. But I’m busy. Very busy, and unmotivated to do things like hours of research and toying with settings getting things to work, if I ever have the time.

But this is the start of my new personal revolution.

I’ll read the wiki and have read about Sonarr, etc, and I also want movies and shows, but is there anything specifically for eBooks? Looks like Readarr is my best bet? Stripping the DRM of already purchased (and free with Spotify ‘Premium’) books to share on a seedbox is also something I’m willing to take requests on. Is there a way to rip from Spotify if you have a premium account? And what’s the best Android eBook reader (the last 3-4 I tried sucked with pirated eBooks)?

I know I’m sounding like a noob asking everything to be handed to me right now, but I am willing to put in the research and welcome and highly appreciate anyone with tips to point me in the right directions.

krnl386,
@krnl386@lemmy.ca avatar

I have the whole series as DRM-free MP3. Let me know if you want it.

Cinner,

DM sent

krnl386,
@krnl386@lemmy.ca avatar

Better late than never and I responded! Check your DM. :)

Neato,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

You bought the audiobooks on Spotify, and then they limited your listening time? What the fuck? Do you have a subscription? DIdn’t even know they sold audiobooks; just thought they had some free ones.

jonne,

Yeah, it’s weird, I thought they were just included with premium, no idea there was a listening limit.

Cinner,

Exactly. I pay for Spotify premium, I purchased 3/5 books in this series, and maybe it’s because 2 of the books were free with premium (incl this last book) that it’s time limiting me. But if that’s the case it’s also counting time listened during my paid-for eBooks. Absolutely crazy to me.

fhein,

So it’s supposed to be 15 hours/month included with your premium subscription? Since I’m not familiar with how Spotify audio books work, I thought you meant that you had a free account and was allowed to listen 15 hours to books that would be included/unlimited with a premium subscription. Contact support if it ate through your monthly credits faster that it should. If you’re a paying customer supports are usually quite helpful.

ninjan,

That doesn’t sound right, I’m betting it’s a bug due to some in the series being bought and some on the time limit deal. Reach out to support.

Empricorn,

If this isn’t an unintended glitch that’s horse shit. I would cancel my account and tell them why.

NightAuthor,

2 ebooks could easily be >15hours. OP sounds like a bullshitter to me. I don’t see how they could come to the conclusion that “its also counting time listened during my paid-for ebooks”. They could provide more info, but they arent. I think they just got mad that they couldnt finish the last 20 minutes of the book (understandably) and decided to flame spotify

Cinner,

See: lemmy.world/comment/7069535

BreakDecks,

Full Explanation:

Spotify introduced Audiobooks to their platform in November 2023:

  • Unlimited listening to public domain classics.
  • 15 free hours per month of premium audiobooks.
  • 10 hour top ups available.
  • Can purchase premium audiobooks for unlimited listening.

OP purchased book 1 and can listen to it all they want. They did not purchase book 2 or 3, and also listened to other audiobooks, putting them over the 15 hour limit.

Key Facts:

  • Spotify Audiobooks are a new feature with no additional subscription cost.
  • OP used all of their free credits for the month.
  • OP was never prevented from listening to a book they purchased.

That said, stop paying for audiobooks like a chump and get a library card.

themeatbridge,

That’s an awful lot of words for “Spotify is bullshit.”

null,

I mean, seems like this is way better for listening to audiobooks than when they had no audiobooks whatsoever

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Weird way to say “just torrent the audio book”

NightAuthor, (edited )

Oh man, I did the hard work (it was easy) of reading some rules and answering some questions via irc to get an invite to MAM and wow is that a treasure-trove of ebooks and audiobooks.

Baines,

dude yes it’s great but remove the name please

igorgama,

Why, are even names flagged in some way? MAM is amazing, but if I have to never talk about it to protect it more, I will.

Baines,

it’s mostly to keep the name out of popular use

oink

what.cd

etc all gone, much sadness

capital,

Important info here. Definitely not the impression I got from the OP.

RouxBru,

So OP is complaining about being limited by the amount of free books OP can listen to? Sounds fair to me, these things cost money to make, and websites cost money to run.

ThatGirlKylie,

Sure whatever you say step corp-bro

NightAuthor,

Ok, thats funny. But for real, what I’m lightly annoyed by is the way they seem to be using the 15 hours of audiobooks as a sort of free-trial to get you to buy more credits, and also how much podcasts and audiobooks are pushed even for those of us who exclusively use spotify for music. On the other hand, if you use the feature, it cost you nothing additional to use up to that 15 hours, or those free books, its strictly a value add.

optissima,
@optissima@lemmy.world avatar

How is an audiobook different from any other piece of audio?

NightAuthor,

Licensing costs

optissima,
@optissima@lemmy.world avatar

Dang youre right there’s probably a huge difference when you calculate it by the second (certainly cheaper).

chriscz,

Just look how much this little machine is costing the music industry! arstechnica.com/…/this-season-a-notorious-pirate-…

NightAuthor,

Lol, but seriously… licensing costs the license holders nothing… but it does costs spotify something.

lud,

Yeah, Spotify can’t just go around pirating audiobooks.

Paddzr,

Reading is hard when doing several hour long commutes… Audiobooks also can enhance the book as some are edited to cut out parts which really don’t contribute. A good editor can make or break a book. I do like reading, but there are times where audiobooks not only provide better experience, they are also the most time efficient as can be enjoyed during other tasks.

ReveredOxygen,
@ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works avatar

My library’s website lets you check out audiobooks. Is that not common?

Paddzr,

That’s cool. Ours doesn’t, but it is a rather tiny place and not those fancy libraries with 3D printers and stuff…

JackbyDev,

Thank you for the context.

Pulptastic,

All the free audiobooks you want from your library using hoopla and Libby.

Neil,
@Neil@lemmy.ml avatar

I tried this and the waiting list for anything remotely worth a damn was months long. I just went and pirated the thing instead.

Has your experience been different?

Pulptastic,

Hoopla has better availability but a worse app. Libby can have long wait lists but I just keep a queue going. There’s always a good list of available now audiobooks to keep me going until my holds are available.

MidLifeCrisis,

I experience that, but you should get more library cards.

MonkeMischief,

I particularly seem to be into stuff that my community isn’t feverishly trying to rent. That helps haha. Traditional paper books too, I could keep renewing them for a stupid amount of time because they didn’t end up on hold. Found out the limit was 255 renewals until they suddenly dropped it to like 10 max. :(

But sadly all the good nerd stuff like R.A. Salvatore books or Discworld always has queues, yeah.

Chestnut,

The more you use the library the better it is. My partner reads almost a hundred books a year. She’s voracious. She reads them almost exclusively through the library. With Libby you’re able to juggle holds easily so that new books are always coming up when you finish the last one. If it comes back too early you just tell it to wait.

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

I can get almost anything from my library as long as it’s not the brand new hotness. Occasionally there’ll be a book here or a book there that’s got one person waiting in line, but our maximum checkout time is a week. I pull the book down rip the audio from it and free up my hold the same day.

M500,

What tools do you use to rip the audio? I’m just wondering so I don’t accidentally do it.

linearchaos, (edited )
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

You could go as far as virtual audio cables and audacity. No matter what changes they can’t stop that.

But if your library supports OD, go dig up the old PC app for OD. When you download the book to start listening to it it decrypts it as it throws it onto the drive.

Some books seem to have some weird duplicated audio here and there is a coffee protection method. Like there’s some secret M3U somewhere that skips around when it plays it, but most stuff comes out clean.

If you can’t get it to come out with the app use one of the virtual audio cable style applications wire the output into a line-in for audacity and just rerecord the whole thing compress it down. You lose individual chapters as files I don’t really pay attention to the chapters I’m on I care about the total distance to the book and being able to pick up where I left off. I suppose if you were trying to do some kind of hybrid read and listen back and forth it would be more useful to have the chapter numbers.

ultra,

Fick libby, the company thatade it doesn’t care about its employees

lightnsfw,

That’s most companies buddy.

ToxicWaste,

You do realise this is a pirate community? The way yor comment reads, it seems like you dislike OP wanting free stuff.

I am aware of people doing some mental gymnastics to justify piracy. But IMHO that is about the same difference as a pirate to a privateer. Just acknowledge that you want stuff without paying and hoist that black flag.

AgentGrimstone,

Puts pitchfork away

Cinner,

See my other comment: lemmy.world/comment/7069535

You’re making disingenuous assumptions when you say I listened to other audiobooks. I have only listened to this series. purchased 3, and listened to 2 of the free (premium) books. I did not listen to any other books. There were a couple times it skipped a chapter with an accidental scroll, and I had to scroll back, but I didn’t actually listen so it shouldn’t count.

I wasn’t aware of the 15 hour limit but of course I am now as it’s been pointed out many times in this thread. I didn’t even know they had audiobooks until they started showing up on the opening screen of Spotify. I got hooked listening to the Steven Fry narrated OG book and then went to buy the next 3 and the last book in the series was also included in premium so I listened without buying. Still, 13 hours (which makes up for any skipping) is not 15 hours, so there’s either a bug or they intentionally count unlistened to skipped chapters as being listened to.

I’m getting Libby setup today with my library card.

dillekant,

Relevant Youtube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDfNRWsMRsU

Roman,

you get 15 hours of listening to any audiobook on spotify included with premium and it refreshes every month. Two of the books did not come free they are part of the 15 hours that you can use on any book “included with premium”

AA5B,

Sounds more like a “bait and switch”, or your friendly neighborhood dealer saying “first hit is free”

NightAuthor,

First week of hits are free, and I’ll give you another week of free hits every month. So as long as you don’t need more than 1 week per month of hits, then you’re golden.

Honestly though, if OP really got 27 days into the cycle before using up his free hits, its almost a perfect solution for them.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That doesn’t really sound like a premium.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

“Let me explain the bullshit rules for you, then you will see how you were in the wrong and our underhanded corporate tactics are helping society”

Roman,

I’m not arguing for the service I’m just trying to make sure everyone has a full understanding of the situation. You are just looking for things to be outraged about.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

I suppose.

Cinner,

First free book

Second free book

Let’s be gracious and round up. That’s 13 hours. Not 15.

Chev,

Library Card

Depends on your local library but I have for example unlimited E Books included.

slampisko,

I’m embarrassed that I never thought of this. Sure enough, my library lends both e-books and audiobooks. It’s limited to 2-3 per month, but that’s more than I need anyway

EldritchFeminity,

I saw a librarian say on a post that people should borrow from the library anyways, even if they don’t think that they’ll get to it before it’s due, because it means that they can use the higher rates of usage to argue for more funding. Getting something for free and helping the local libraries at the same time? Sounds like a win-win to me.

OldWoodFrame,

Libby app.

Fades,

What the fuck lmao

Why does anyone use shitify

verysoft,

Convenient, easy to use, available everywhere.

Hiro8811,

YouTube music clients?

HerbalGamer,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

Needs constant internet connection

Hiro8811,

Innertune can download music

princessnorah,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Cool, let me know when youtube music starts using lossless audio.

Hiro8811,

Does Shittify ?

damienallbran,

They don’t, there were and potentially still are plans to add the ability to listen at CD quality, but it’s been almost 3 years since the announcement so I highly doubt it’s coming anymore. It also would’ve been 20 USD, at that price I would rather use Spotify premium for it’s playlist features and Qobuz for it’s fidelity for that price.

princessnorah,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Apparently not, but Apple Music & Tidal do.

sounddrill,

I love innertune

Hiro8811,

Me too but cache takes allot of space, if it gets over 5gb the app gets laggy and buggy

BigDanishGuy,

I’d maybe try youtube music, if google didn’t force it down my throat. But when I can’t uninstall it without rooting my phone. Or when I’ve got Spotify already setup, and then have to specify that I want to use it on my home devices. That’s just annoying.

Me: ok google! Bedroom lamps color red, bedroom lamps intensity 30% and play Diana Krall the look of love on the bedroom speakers

Google: Playing The Look of Love by Diana Krall from youtube music, but first listen to these ads before you get your freak on

HerbalGamer,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’ve got a cracked version of some dodgy russian app store

lemmyvore,

How is it shitty in this case? That’s literally what OP bought, the right to listen to any book in Spotify’s catalog for free, for a certain number of hours. If they wanted to listen to a specific book unlimited they should have purchased that book directly.

WallEx,

Because thats what “buying” means, right.

lemmyvore,

They haven’t bought anything though. Or rather, they got exactly what they paid for, listening time.

I’m pretty sure this is a concept OP must’ve seen before, they can’t be that clueless. If you borrow a book from the library you don’t own it, and you have to be done with it by the time it’s due.

At this point I’m not sure if they’re just new to audiobooks or if they’re misrepresenting Spotify’s time-limited plans on purpose.

WallEx,

They baught 3 audiobooks and premium … But sure, shill for spotify.

lemmyvore,

They bought one book, the others were free with time limit.

If Spotify misrepresented the free books or was unclear about what they represent then by all means, they should be called out. But it’s a bit different from what OP has complained about.

WallEx,

Buying premium doesnt factor in for you at all?

Jako301,

Premium is pretty much only for music, the audio book part is more like a free demo. Including them in the normal premium sub is unsustainable.

WallEx,

I geht the first part, but how would that be unsustainable? The cost of streaming audio is next to nothing compared to almost any other media, yet it costs the same or more then netflix, yt premium and the likes

Jako301,

This isn’t about server costs or infrastructure, but rather about licensing rights and artist payments.

Spotify pays 70% of its revenue to artists and despite that most of them are still severely underpaid compared to their listening times. They could pay artists 5-10% more I’d they give up all profit they make, but that’s about it. You already pay artists less than 1ct per song, if that’s still too much or not is for you to decide.

Youtube Premium works cause they pay creators even less while showering every non-premium watcher with ads every 5 minutes.

Netflix has an entirely different business model. They only pay an initial license fee for a finished series. The artists/studio already got paid, the price negotiations is purely between Netflix and a few big publishers. Due to that they can calculate if a series will bring in a profit and only then decide to buy the license for a period of time. Due to that their offer, while it may seem large, is just a tiny fraction compared to Spotify or YouTube.

Now to Spotifys books. I’m not sure what their exact business model is, but either they buy the license for the books or they allow others to sell their books directly on their platform. Whatever it is, its a huge increase in costs for them. Either Spotify has the big upfront license cost that they try to get back by gaining new customers or premium allows you to “rent” a book which means Spotify still has to pay the creator even if you didn’t pay them anything.

Taking the extra money from the already existing premium subscription won’t work. Artists are already underpaid, reducing that even further will lead to them leaving Spotify.

Thorny_Insight, (edited )

Why does anyone use shitify

Virtually every single song in the world in your pocket for a little over 10 euros a month doesn’t seem like a bad deal to me. Then again why does anyone use spotify for anything other than listening to music, there your guess is as good as mine.

Hupf,

Some currently trending pop music, you say?

Damage,

No, there’s lots of niche artists on Spotify, as well as old stuff

Thorny_Insight,

Oh, my apologies for being a mere mortal with a taste for mainstream mediocrity. Clearly, my lack of access to the obscure, avant-garde, underground artists you champion is a tragic oversight. I’ll just be over here enjoying my basic playlist, blissfully unaware of the elevated musical tastes reserved for the chosen few like yourself. Carry on enlightening us, oh connoisseur of the esoteric.

LiveLM,

Wake up babe, new Lemmy copypasta just dropped

NightAuthor,

I saw some avant garde shit the other day, and there it was on spotify. Everyone is on spotify

Honestly, like… who isn’t on spotify? I think Metallica was holding out, but there on there now, and looks like Garth Brooks is also holding out. No one else I’ve ever looked up, including very small artists, were not on spotify.

Mo5560,

I hate Spotify (I have to preface with this sentence)

But plenty of artists these days don’t bother releasing CDs and MP3s and you can legitimately only stream their songs.

I know small artists who were unable to send me the files of their own songs when I asked them. They just sent me a YouTube link and told me to listen there.

EmperorHenry,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

1"Oh god! Some of our users are leaving because our service sucks now!"

2"Should we improve our service?"

3"Of course not! We should just make it more restrictive and raise prices!"

2"Yeah! Raise prices to make up for lost customers!"

1"yeah! no one will pirate anything if we just raise prices and make everything way more inconvenient!"

dgriffith,

2"If we raise prices by 10 percent and make things a little bit shittier, we’ll lose 5 percent of our user base to pirating and the non-tech-savvy users left behind who don’t know how… Well they can just take another 10 percent up the ass next year! It’s win-win!"

lightnsfw,

I use the readera app on my android tablet. Haven’t had any problems with it yet.

littlecolt,

Go to your local library and ask if they have audiobook borrowing through Libby or a similar platform! Not only are you NOT limited on listening hours, but it’s free! You just might have to wait if all the “copies” are borrowed at the moment.

Also, if you have a cool library like I do, you might be able to borrow from multiple libraries. For example, my library card is for the St. Louis County Library, but it can also be used at the St. Charles County Library. So if I am looking for an audiobook on Libby, and SLCL has 3 virtual copies and they are all borrowed, I can search SCCL to see if they have any. I’ve had many situations where I’ll find one library or the other will have a copy available for borrowing with no wait.

Saurok,

Just to piggyback on this comment… If you have a dope library like mine, you don’t even have to go in person to get your library card and do all of the above. I signed up for a card online, downloaded Libby, got everything set up and had an ebook checked out that same day.

ArtVandelay,
@ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

Does anyone know cities in the US where you can get a library card and not be from that city, or even state? I know there are a few

tamal3,

Love your local library. The Lemmy app is a good way to access content.

Also pirating… I live in the southern US, where they keep underfunding my library.

BreakDecks,

You almost certainly meant to say Libby.

tamal3,

Hahaha yes, thanks!

Tarkcanis,

An audiobook, of an ebook, of a book, adaped from a radio play… ok then?

asexualchangeling,

They’re all a bit different though

SplashJackson,

You should try the video game!!

Tarkcanis,

I keep seeing that around, but was never able to find it back in the day. Guess I should dig my tricorn out of storage.

Blackmist,

EXAMINE POCKET

Showroom7561,

If the experience that a paying customer gets is worse than the experience they get from pirating, then that’s the fault of the company selling that enshitified experience.

It’s wild how modern businesses are trying to kill themselves with every terrible idea they have to make more money.

Zahille7,

As shitty as Amazon is, I will say that the books I’ve gotten through Audible are all still there and I can listen to them whenever I want even though I don’t have a subscription or anything anymore.

lemmyvore,

OP hasn’t purchased any book. They’re on a plan that lets them listen to any book for free, except it’s time-limited.

Cinner,

I purchased 3/5 books of the series. The 2 free books add up to 13 hours.

iheartneopets,

I’ve been enjoying LibroFM instead of Audible. Same subscription/credits per month model, but a portion goes to support a local bookstore of your choice. Feels way better to do that than give any extra money to Amazon.

fckreddit,

Wait for a while and Amazon will go down the same route.

w3dd1e,

Audible replaced a version of a book my boyfriend bought with a completely different version of the same book. I mean a different narrator and everything. He had purchased the book a few years earlier but he didn’t manage to get a refund from them.

Stupidmanager,

The Martian by Andy weir was my first experience of this. They re-recorded it with will wheaton and I “lost” my original with RC Bray. Though I will admit my version was part of the plus catalog, I still didn’t get a choice.

w3dd1e,

Why would they think this is okay?

LemmysMum,

Why wouldn’t they, it’s not like anyone is making them act differently.

Localhorst86,

I bought a few books off audible, and while I can still access them even without a subscription, I still have them converted to mp3 on my NAS, in case I ever lose access to audible for some reason.

elvith,

Have you found a way to split those mp3s into several files by chapter etc.? All converters that I have tried so far just yield a single, several hours long mp3…

abbadon420,

I always used SmartAudiobookPlayer (android). It saves your progress nicely. Never felt the need for chapters

elvith,

I use Voice audiobook player, that can do that, too. But when I switch devices, … it’s easier to pick up where I left, if it’s at least separated by chapters (or as some MP3 CDs do every 3-5 minutes a new track).

Also I do sometimes buy mp3 audiobooks for a blind friend who prefers to listen to them on a CD player (buttons can be felt and its easier to use than a touch screen). But a single, several hours long mp3 is bad in this scenario. And as i didnt find a tool to split them easily, Audible exclusives were out of the question…

Localhorst86,

github.com/audiamus/AaxAudioConverter

This should be able to split them by chapter.

elvith,

Thanks, I’ll try it

ashley,
@ashley@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

for ripping music from Spotify, best solution I know is spotdl which just downloads an album or playlist link given to it, and fetches the equivalent from YouTube.

WarmSoda,

You my friend, are a fucking rockstar

Sailing7,

You could also go the route of directly downloading from spotify with Zotify. If you got premium it downloads in full 320kps. (Make sure to use the –download-real-time=True toggle to raise no suspicion for spotify servers. This way you download as fast as if you were listening to the songs/audiobooks yourself. Its a command line tool. Though if it can remove possible DRM Watermarks from the audiostream - no clue. But i wouldnt think they actually do that.

Cinner,

This is exactly what I was looking for!

Sailing7,

Happy, that you found my comment :D

I’ve also searched for such a solution for a longggg time. When i finally found it though… holy moly i was happy about that

solarvector,

It’s been a while since I had the opportunity for audiobooks, so those specifically I’m a little out of the loop. Audiobookbay was a thing at some point.

For e books… Z-library and/ or Anna’s archive. The reader I use is ReadEra premium, it can handle pretty much any format although default to pick is epub. I don’t think you really need to buy premium, I just did because I wanted to support them. I’ve been using it for forever with almost no problems. You can adjust the things you want (font, spacing, light/dark, etc), but the basic format when reading is very simple once you have it set up

Cinner,

I already use ReadEra for all my documents needs. Does it save progress well with audiobooks?

antipiratgruppen,

I believe he’s using it for ebooks, not audiobooks. I don’t think it’s playing audio.

solarvector,

Ok, audiobook isn’t the same as an ebook.

Spotify is absolute ass for audiobooks and podcasts. I wish there was something better for streaming, although one of these days I’ll get around to self hosting. Maybe after retirement…

Anyway, for audiobooks I used “Voice Audiobook Player”, it’s free and open source, minimal permissions required.

For anyone wondering about podcasts, “Podcast Addict”. It has too many menus and options, can be confusing, but still a million times better than Spotify. Once you have it set up the way you want those options are very nice. Still confusing at times though :D

Cinner,

That’s my fault, I messed up and said ebook a few times while meaning audiobooks.

darkstar,

+1 from me for ReadEra as well, great app.

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