[ COMMUNITY UPDATE ] - A Note on piracy and Lemmy.world's decision to ban piracy communities - 2023-08-14

As you may know, Lemmy.world has decided to ban any communities that deal with the subjects of piracy. Considering that this sub might be considered piracy-adjacent, I’d like to make it clear that discussing the subject directly is not allowed, nor is requesting/offering Plex shares in posts or comments.

This is a community for discussing Plex products, serivices, add-ons, etc. and getting adivce and support or those apps/services. It’s not a place to discuss piracy. I understand this is a fine line to walk and requires a certain amount of compartmentalization in our discussions, but it’s what keeps our discussions from becoming legally problematic (depending on your jurisdiction) for our instance hosts and keeps our community federated with and visible to as many users as possible!

Thanks, Everyone!

– The Mod Team

EDIT: it should be noted that discussions that may involve piracy ARE PERMITTED (as it pertains to Plex and its add-ons) in our Matrix community chats (linked above and in the sidebar), as they’re not Lemmy-related and aren’t going to get this community in trouble here. However, all other rules still apply.

JasonHears,

I can understand limiting direct links to torrent sites or copyrighted works, but this “discussing the subject directly is not allowed” is pretty overbearing. Whoever is labeling Plex as “piracy-adjacent” shows a generally uninformed opinion on Plex.

BrooklynMan, (edited )
@BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

uninformed opinion or not, I’d like to play it safe and ensure this community stays open and viewable to as many people as possible. I know the Plex subreddit ran into issues in the past, and I’d like to avoid them.

please follow the rules and keep in mind that this sub is of discussing Plex and its addons, not piracy. there are other places for that.

EDIT: it should be noted that discussions that may involve piracy ARE PERMITTED (as it pertains to Plex and its add-ons) in our Matrix community chats (linked above and in the sidebar), as they’re not Lemmy-related and aren’t going to get this community in trouble here. However, all other rules still apply.

JJROKCZ,

Fucking stupid decisions from lemmy world admins, time to make an account elsewhere it seems. Might just go to dbzeros instance

bauhaus, (edited )

eh… lemmy.world is based in the US, so they’re liable for anything that gets federated there, as that stuff is not technically hosted on their servers. it’s not because they object to it, it’s just protecting themselves from dumb laws.

edit: oops, not hosted in the US ¯_(ツ)_/¯

ribboo,

They are not. They are hosted by a German company, with servers in Finland. By a Dutch dude.

bauhaus,

oops, my bad!

JJROKCZ,

So has Reddit and piracy has been one of the biggest subs since the start of the site.

NotAPenguin,

They were fairly strict on moderating any direct links and such

bauhaus,

yeah. it was always a game of euphemisms and such there. how strict the enforcement was was always a game of pushing boundaries, getting snapped back by the admins, waves of bans and such, then more boundary-pushing. that went on for years.

Dubious_Fart,

Reddit has a history of not giving a shit about its subreddits until it harms advertising/revenue

Prime Example: Pedo subs until they became a national news story.

bauhaus,

reddit also has the money to pay for lawyers to defend itself from frivolous legal bullshit (and non-frivolous legal threats). lemmy instance admins don’t. I don’t blame them for playing it safe if their local laws make their lives difficult.

there are plenty of other instances to choose from.

cantstopthesignal,

If it was any other regular website like reddit it would just get completely shut down. Like others have said, this is the strength of federation.

yukichigai,
yukichigai avatar

Literally they are not. DMCA Safe Harbor provisions specifically make them not liable for content posted by others until it is brought to their attention by a rights holder or some regulatory agency.

BrooklynMan,
@BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

here’s the thing about that: it takes going to court to argue that and hoping you get a favorable ruling.

and that’s very, very expensive and you could be shut down via injunction until that happens, which could take years.

and even if the lemmy.world admin could afford hundred of thousands or millions in legal fees to win a case against the RIAA and/or MPAA, why would they want to risk it?

yukichigai,
yukichigai avatar

That absolutely is not how that works. You don't go to court, the rights holder has to take you to court. If they show up in court without having filed a DMCA takedown or even a Cease and Desist it doesn't matter who they are, they're gonna get laughed out of court, and probably open themselves up to an anti-SLAPP counter-lawsuit to boot (which probably won't succeed ultimately, but still).

nexguy,
@nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

Beauty of lemmy is you can still enjoy .world and any other instance no matter that particular instances policies

ihatemyusername,

I find it telling that you ban things that might mean less money in millionaires pockets but still allow Ukrainian war footage of real people dying. Those are brothers, sons, mothers, and daughters dying but you may have prevented a dozen people from downloading “across the spider-verse”.

BrooklynMan,
@BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

I think it’s pretty disturbing that you think that there’s anything in common with keeping the conversations in this community relevant and the atrocities committed in Ukraine by the illegal invasion by Russia.

worse, that you’d try to blame me or any of it. but don’t worry, you don’t have to worry about the rules here ever again.

TheaoneAndOnly27,

Wtf? What are non pirate uses for Plex?

BrooklynMan, (edited )
@BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

you’re perfectly free to discuss that elsewhere (well, in most places, that is).

in this community we discuss how to install, configure, troubleshoot, etc. Plex and plex add-ons as well as features and so on.

Where or how you acquire your content (with the exception of Plex streaming content) is irrelevant and not an appropriate subject for conversation here if it involves piracy.

Sorry.

EDIT: it should be noted that discussions that may involve piracy ARE PERMITTED (as it pertains to Plex and its add-ons) in our Matrix community chats (linked above and in the sidebar), as they’re not Lemmy-related and aren’t going to get this community in trouble here. However, all other rules still apply.

Kaputnik, (edited )
@Kaputnik@hexbear.net avatar

Cowards

(Not you but the lemmy.world mods for banning piracy)

ParkingPsychology,

Self censorship is the best kind of censorship. If you're an oppressor of speech, that is.

BrooklynMan, (edited )
@BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

free speech is never guaranteed on private platforms, and it’s explicitly not permitted in moderated communities. you even had to agree to a code of conduct which limits your speech when you created you account. if you came here expecting that, you came to the wrong place.

your participation here is a privilege conditional on your adherence to a social contract which, if you violate, will be revoked. keep that in mind. your freedom is to follow the rules or exercise your freedoms elsewhere.

EDIT: it should be noted that discussions that may involve piracy ARE PERMITTED (as it pertains to Plex and its add-ons) in our Matrix community chats (linked above and in the sidebar), as they’re not Lemmy-related and aren’t going to get this community in trouble here. However, all other rules still apply.

ParkingPsychology,

There's a freedom of choice a moderator has and that is to lean towards restricting speech or allow a higher level of free speech.

You're the one that's deciding to exert censorship and not just that, you did so in a way that puts the spotlight on you, it is an act of ego.

You didn't have to do either.

It doesn't bother me that you did that, it doesn't impact me in anyway. I'm just providing commentary.

Odds are you won't listen to me and I can respect that, I wouldn't listen to me either.

But I've been a moderator for long enough, so I know others will do the same to you and eventually you'll get the message. Or not and then you'll just get tired of this thankless work and go do something else with your time.

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