And yet when an Israeli student threatened to “krav maga” me “into next week” for simply pointing out I was Palestinian while she was on some rant about how palestinians are all terrorists, that’s just free speech and we need to think about a slippery slope into tyranny if we do anything about it less permissive than asking nicely for an apology.
that’s just free speech and we need to think about a slippery slope into tyranny if we do anything about it less permissive than asking nicely for an apology.
That’s terrible. Was it said by the same authority that did this?
I remember after a student at my college was run over and killed by an Israeli bulldozer for protesting on behalf of Palestinians the zionist backlash on campus for talking about it was immense and even got the school newspaper shut down for a while for, you guessed it: antisemitism.
According to my boss yes because they got a permit. I try argue we shouldn’t allow nazi to get fucking permit to protest he disagrees. It’s fucking serial.
But that’s not antisemitism. They’re clearly stating that Jews are not going to replace them, acknowledging that they aren’t to be feared. Like if you told someone immigrants aren’t going to take their job. /s
The Israelis in Israel are in overwhelming support for the genocide in Gaza and the continued settler terrorism against the Palestinians in the Westbank.
Also they kept voting Netanyahu in. The voting aged and eligible Israelis need to take responsibility, because they have responsibility for their government and the actions of their government and their military. Also every non Likud government since the murder of Yitzak Rabin has continued the settler terrorism in the Westbank.
The Israelis in Israel are in overwhelming support for the genocide in Gaza and the continued settler terrorism against the Palestinians in the Westbank.
I have no idea what makes you say it. (I mean, I can guess, but it’ll be as bad as making the above statement)
Left wing people really do need to get better about casually standing around with a rifle in their hands. The cops won’t be so happy to terrorize them if they do.
By US I assume you mean the media, powerful business leaders and politicians behind the scenes that are making the decision to release police on what is clearly a peaceful protest. Because as a person who is American and against what is happening to Palestinians right now, this is not condoned by many folks over here. It is the 1% with the loudest voices that are making this a persistent problem for protests.
Look up who runs the police for the city shown and make the local politicians scared of public backlash. They do this because no one knows who they are and so they will not be held responsible.
And yet you see comment after comment after comment and post after post after post here, telling you that opposing Bidens and the Democrats involvement with the genocide and violent supression of protests, would be shilling for Trump.
From an external perspective most of the US are either in support or indifferent to murdering women and children, torturing and abusing people, as long as it is not them.
I can add my voice to this. The very topic we’re all commenting on here supports this. The are protests and millions of dissenting voices to the disgusting atrocities taking place against the Palestinian people.
This isn’t new, either. Countless Americans have opposed Israel for many, many years. They’ve been openly killing civilians for a very long time now.
It needs to stop, but the United States government is in an open state of distress right now. We’re fighting over here to keep an actual tyrant from gaining power, and unilaterally destabilizing the entire world. Trump has threatened to pull us out of NATO, abandon support for Ukraine, and send even more aid to Israel. He’s also a big reason Iran as a country is pissed off, since he pulled us out of the Iran Nuclear deal.
There are layers of bullshit and politics to navigate, and without money and agency most of us are struggling just to pay our rent, and buy groceries.
Meanwhile, we get people all the time conflating the US government with the US people. They are not the same thing. We are in many ways captives of our society. Those not from the US: look into what happens when we come down with a severe illness. Spoiler: we can easily lose fucking everything.
Things aren’t good, everyone. Things aren’t good. We can fix them, but holy shit is it not a good time for the world.
This isn’t new, either. Countless Americans have opposed Israel for many, many years.
Unfortunately, a very countable amount. The number of Americans who have been more than vaguely aware of Israel’s existence was dominated by Doomsday-craving fundies until very recently, not foreign policy nerds. This is probably the first time in my lifetime that public opinion has turned anti-Israel in any appreciable amount.
What’s that Churchill said? Americans will always do the right thing, after having tried everything else?
God, let this year be the turning point. Let it be the last, shameful time we’ve been complicit in Israel’s crimes. We have enough of our own to deal with.
I hate it when people say “America did this” or “Russia is doing that” or “China” or any country. I doubt the average Russian or Chinese citizen has any more influence over what their governments do than we do in the US… I wish people would start naming names and perhaps even labeling them with their major sponsors/donors. Like “today president Biden, with more than $3m in donations from defense contractors, signs another $90b over to Israel for ‘military aid’”
But the US government is voted by the US people in overall democratic elections. The people in Russia and China do not get this freedom and responsibility.
Gerrymandering, etc. Republicans keep losing the majority vote and still winning elections because they won a larger number of districts (because they control the drawing of districts in too many places). Plus voter suppression. And then they block all reform.
I think we can both agree that the level of meddling by gerrymandering or other measures is still a much much lower level of obstructions compared to Russia and China. And why are the democrats not fighting against these obstructive measures?
Yeah, the “antisemitism” complains are because of antizionism, and stupid people regularly conflate antizionism (criticism of Israel) with antisemitism (attacking jewish people or judaism.
Speaking of stupid people, Israel and the right are going hard to the paint to make this very same conflation.
Of course, and rightly so. But calls like “from the river to the sea” are not criticism of Israel, but a call for genocide. That’s as antisemitic as it can get. Violation of safety of Jewish student (not Israeli, but Americans with Jewish religion) also has zero relationship with Israeli criticism and 100% relationship with antisemitism.
So you’re saying that Netanyahu’s son is “calling for genocide” and “as antisemite as it can get”, given that he used those exact words in a post back in December.
In fact the White House spokesperson was confronted with this back then in a Press Conference because the White House was using exactly the same propaganda technique as you of claiming calls for freedom in Palestine were “antisemitism”.
Thank you for confirming that the Zionists are genocidal fascists. Because they invented this term and they mean it in the way of annihilating the Palestinian people, to fulfill they Lebensraum fascist dream.
But how do the Palestinians use it? “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”. They demand an end to their opression and occupation by the fascists.
You don’t but the big news outlet and governments live by them. If their booklet says X is antisemitism then they’re going to respond as if it is. Regardless of reality.
I haven’t seen antisemitic comments anywhere, but maybe they just get deleted.
Unless you think being anti-Israel is antisemitic? But if that were so, being anti-Russia would be anti-christian and being anti-Saudi would be Islamophobic, etc. I don’t think so. Some nation states are horrible and the only logical response is to be “against them” in their current configuration. (For example, since only 8% of the world’s countries are full democracies, you can assume I’m against the others.) If Saudi or Israel changed their ways, then I would be “for them” whatever that means. Keep in mind, countries are made up nonsense anyway, so we can only criticize their organization and administration.
Lastly, religion is a hideous evil. Perhaps this accurate observation itself is considered somehow antisemitic. Not sure.
Then why did all those faculty at Columbia walk out in solidarity? They all support violence in their schools? It’s almost as if we’re being fed bullshit and lies.
You further antisemtic propaganda. Jewish students are an integral part to the protests. Jewish faculty supports the protests. You claim them to be antisemitic and support the police beating up and arresting peaceful Jewish students.
You support violence against Jews, because they don’t share your political ideology.
Please share amy evidence you have of actual anti-Semitism. But it has LONG been a play of the Israeli government to claim that anti criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism, which is absolutely ridiculous.
I am not going to search the articles in American news for you - if you somehow missed it, you can Google yourself. I do not know what Israeli government says, and do not see even see importance of what it say with respect to what is going on on American campuses.
So there isn’t any anti-Semitism going on at the protests. You’re just trying to gaslight everyone into believing whatever Israel says in order to carry on slaughtering innocent people.
First of all I was not talking only about protest, but what is going on on American campuses. But second, are you saying that these protests do not sometimes chant "from the river to the sea" and pro-hamas chants?
And if any of us is gaslighting it is you, how did not even bother to google, and state that there is not any anti-Semitism.
Should I continue? There are pages and pages of these. Stope taking social sites as the news sources, read the real news. Get out from your echo chamber.
From the river to the sea, includes parts that are not Palestine. You know that, right, yet pretend to think as if it does not mean destruction of Israel, the way Hamas demonstrated now. That’s what “from the river to the sea” slogan means - it is a call for genocide and if you support that, then yes, you are an antisemite, and simply moral monster.
So, imagine that it is indeed a call for the destruction of Israel.
That would be at most anti-Israel, unless you’re a Racist who thinks “all Jews are the same”, since the only way to believe the nation of Israel is the same as the Jewish Religion, which in turn is the only way to justify claims that anti-Israel slogans are always antisemite, is to think that all Jews support and identify themselves and their religion with Israel, i.e. that they’re all the same and hence all think the same - a belief which is the purest of racist prejudice.
What’s even more racist about claiming that anti-Israel is the same as antisemitic is that many Jews openly oppose Israel, including participating in these very same demonstrations, so by conflating anti-Israel with antisemitism you’re straightforward implying that you yourself can define Jewishness better than actual Jews and by applying it to these demonstratiins which were also attended by people who are Jews, you’re accusing said Jews of being antisemite, i.e. “Bad Jews”.
It takes quite a lot of racism to go around implying that some Jews are anti-Jew because they disagree with the actions of a state that self-proclaims to represent them. In fact that kind of thing is typical of Fascism and Fascist nations.
Near Columbia University, antisemitic slogans including “go back to Poland” were heard among the protesters’ chants. In one video, a demonstrator can be seen holding a sign near Jewish students that reads: “Al-Qassam’s next targets.”
Inevitably, some people in any cause, no matter how just, will be swept up in extremism. The important thing is to isolate these elements without slowing or impugning the greater cause.
The important thing is to know and be committed to your own values clearly, so that when someone comes along trying to get to involved in things you don’t support, you can recognize that just because they’re acting friendly or want to be your ally, that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
The end result of everyone doing that is the kind of isolation you’re referring to. Doesn’t need to be centrally coordinated; the group just isn’t fertile ground for the extremism any more, because the members of the group know what they’re about.
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