The easiest method for disarming the horrific optics of project 2025 would be for trump to campaign on doing the opposite of just a few of the stickier nuggets. It’s easy, trump lies all the time. The fact that he hasn’t done so indicates that it would hurt either his pride or his polls, and both are distressing options.
Remember when he urged his base to get vaccinated and they slowly cranked the snek flag past his colon in response? I don’t know whether trump does but his campaign team recalls.
Their plan doesnt call for a “nazi purge.” it calls to end any investigation of crime that involves a Republican.
Why make up a completely different scenario just to “both sides” and give the GOP cover for their actual plan that dismants the rule of law as long as youre on their team?
Hey, listen, go for it. But when we’ve got cops storming school yards and beating up professors, I gotta say. This probably isn’t going to be the freest or fairest election of my lifetime.
The listed excerpts are actually quite tame compared to what the actual plan is.
slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security
invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries
create a federally funded "American Academy" that would deliver online courses and grant free degrees that excluded "wokeness or jihadism". The plan would also be funded by taxing the endowments of major universities
every state report exactly how many abortions take place within its borders, at what gestational age of the child, for what reason, the mother's state of residence, and by what method
I stopped looking, not because there was any shortage of further crazy shit. There’s plenty more.
It’s a very ambitious list. The executive branch will be a smoldering wreck before they even get started. Let’s hope we get a 2028 election because 2032 and 2036 will be all about rebuilding.
Yeah, and there’s a fair amount of money behind this push…which like…I’m not American, don’t live in the States, but my sister and her wife do…and I’ve gotta figure out how to get them the fuck out if things go Trump again…
Edit: also, living in the UK I run into loads of people who go “Well, if Trump gets in again, that’s not really our problem…” but like…the USA makes they’re problems everyone’s problem. And another Trump presidential term would be a huge problem for the rest of the world…
Yeah, I’ve been following UK politics by way of TrashFuture podcast and I gotta say… your immigration plan is to deport people to Rwanda and your government just endorsed a Trans-Panic Committee to decide whether teenagers can consent to gender-affirming care.
And these are the moderate Labour Party positions. Liz Truss wants to do worse.
God damn, dude. Finding the worst people to run the country is not a competition. You can just let the Yanks have this one.
They look at our right wing propaganda machine to see what “works.” They also get the added “benefit” of our toxic sludge that is online political discourse to feed off of. They don’t need new issues as they have a repository of shit to pick from…
Why does Americas #2 export need to be toxic right wing bullshit…
The Rwanda asylum scheme is and has been a Tory plan from its inception, and has never been endorsed by Labour. I’m not familiar with the TrashFuture podcast, but can recommend Pod Save the UK if you’re in the market for UK politics pods.
Baroness Jenny Chapman, a frontbencher who was Sir Keir’s political secretary, was asked whether Labour would axe the scheme if 10,000 migrants had been flown to Rwanda by the time of the election.
The peer, who was a member of the shadow cabinet, replied: “If it did, as a major major leap with a thought experiment, then we might be having a different conversation but there is absolutely no evidence this is going to work.”
It was explicitly a hypothetical thought experiment. Starmer has already said they wouldn’t go through with the Rwanda plan, even if it did somehow prove effective. That’s all stated plainly in the article you linked (from the Telegraph!). It really seems like you’re just doubling down in the face of the evidence, rather than admitting to having made an incorrect statement.
It was explicitly a hypothetical thought experiment
By the presumed future minister in charge. If boat crossings to the UK fall following implementation of Rwanda deportations (more a gamble than a hypothetical) they’ll continue the program.
Starmer has already said they wouldn’t go through with the Rwanda plan
Starmer’s shadow cabinet - including Yvette Cooper, shadow home secretary - have simply asserted the program is “too expensive”. That’s their sole opposition to the new rule. Not that they won’t go through with it, but that they don’t want to pay for it.
Finding the worst people to run the country is not a competition.
I’m only here on a marriage visa, I’m not a P.R or citizen yet, so I’m not allowed to vote against having these bigots and con-men in power. Also, while labour is somewhat moderate, the Tories are in power, and they’re a bunch of fucking nut jobs. Labour can’t decide what they stand for anymore, which means they will stand for nothing, and the rest of the available parties will never get to power again. The available options are shit, just like in the States. And the Yanks think they invented having a shit government, but lemme tell you, the Brits have been fucking up their own government and foreign governments for a lot longer the the US has been a thing.
In a similar situation here in NZ. On a perm resident visa through partnership, can’t vote, keenly interested in being on my best behaviour here. Labour wasn’t amazeballs, but the current coalition is like watching a pack of dogs with diarrhoea tear through a quiet town. You just know it’ll be on someone else to clean up after them.
As a yank who’s followed British politics for a while, I wouldn’t blame labour’s bullshit on the tories. They seem to have done the same thing in response to thatcher that the Dems did to Reagan “ok sure we can be the neutral centrist party, we’ll be conservative while you be regressive”. When I see actual left wing ideas coming out of the UK it’s either from your queer folks, a small and vulnerable actual left wing, or from the SNP. Even now with the tories wildly unpopular Labour seems to be taking the attitude of “we should reach across the aisle and offer to do what they propose”.
But you are right we learned how to govern from two sources, you and the Iroquois confederacy, and the Iroquois functioned (they still do, but they did then too).
create a federally funded “American Academy” that would deliver online courses and grant free degrees that excluded “wokeness or jihadism”.
I gotta say, this is hilarious both in how it delivers lip service to a popular idea (free public higher education) and outright mangles the implementation so its guaranteed to fail (why the fuck would any serious employer value an anti-wokeness degree?)
every state report exactly how many abortions take place within its borders
Also like I was radicalized in college without my courses including any of that shit. Nothing drove me to the labor left harder than having it drilled into be how I’ll need to explain human suffering in dollars in my ergonomics class. And like the teacher wasn’t wrong and he was very conservative.
Consider that in 1965, someone wrote a book about how great it would be if cars had seat belts, and then everyone agreed and cars got seat belts. That’s what happens in a government that at least tries to care (about white people, anyway). Conservatives have spent the last half century making sure that nightmare never happens again.
Gotta keep the cogs (workers) oiled (safe) to prevent premature wear (worker deaths) so you don’t have to replace cogs so often because oil is cheaper than getting a new cog. That seems more akin to the Scandinavian model to me. Our system of “make more money than the previous year at all costs” means that the oil can get thinner and thinner every single year because planned obsolescence puts cogs out of service around the end of their natural life (so they have to work until they die) or even prior to their natural life (workplace deaths/disability), there are a ton of cogs to choose from, so replacing is less of a financial detriment, and the healthcare/pharmaceutical machine greatly benefits from the cogs that are hurt from the capitalism machine. This is the reason why republicans can easily do shitty things (that push capitalism to its limits) and why democrats have such difficulty doing what people want them to do (that goes against capitalism).
If we’re sure about being steadfast in this economic system, RCV has to be pushed as a ballot measure to calm things down a bit. A few states are getting RCV, but it’s not nearly enough. And while people wait for the next election and the one after that and the one after that for things to possibly get better, their friends and family are dying from this system. So expect protests, police forces, and prison systems to get bigger and bigger.
I hope the Catholics in the US never have to face the day that they reap what they sowed. The unholy alliance they have with the evangelicals won’t last. And historically has always been the case. I hope they never experience it because I give a shit about people.
Only a secular government can have minorities, and most secular governments aren’t even that good at that.
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