AfterthoughtC,
AfterthoughtC avatar

You know how one of the common symptoms of fascism is that they will describe their enemies as both weak and strong.
What would you call someone that describes themselves as both weak and strong?

For example "vote for me and I can definitely protect reproductive rights but actually bureaucracy prevents me from stopping the people trying to knock down reproductive rights."

baronvonj,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the same thing but with more narcissism. Instead of saying “my opponents are too weak to fix this” they’re saying “I’m the only one strong enough to do it.” Because they can only think in terms on themselves, and don’t want anyone else thinking in terms of other people.

Quasari,

I don’t think your example is strong for the weak/strong link.

  1. It is their platform of what they want to do. Just because they say they will work towards a thing, doesn’t mean that they are saying their opponents will not work for the opposite, instead it is saying if you vote for the others they will work in the opposite direction.
  2. Problems with the system(needing 60% to actually pass it) isn’t a comment of the strength of the opponent, rather a weakness of the system.

I accept you want to think that the left is authoritarian, but for the most part that is not true in American politics.

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org avatar

Sounds like an American liberal

Before: “You better vote blue so your basic human rights are protected!”

After: “What? You just expect them to close the concentration camps and also not let impoverished people die of lack of access to healthcare? You’re such a tankie and somehow also a Bernie bro!”

Empathy,

I’m liberal and most of my friends are liberal, and I haven’t really heard of such a take. Maybe our definitions of liberal are different? I’m legitimately curious where you’ve heard this kind of take, I find it concerning that somebody who identifies as liberal could be in favor of concentration camps or against free (or at-least heavily subsidized) healthcare.

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org avatar

I’m leftist, and I’m willing to open a discussion with liberals, but so many times they become hostile at any criticism of capitalism or pointing out things like supporting ICE is categorically a fascist thing to do, and that compromises like Obamacare and Bidencare only benefit a small percentage of fairly well-off individuals and anything less than universal healthcare is harmful to the disadvantaged.

It wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t then start the unhinged attacks with “Bernie bro” and “tankie” (which is especially weird, considering I’m an anarchist). I’m a middle-aged individual, and I’ve also been called a “child that needs to grow up” lol. Not saying you specifically do this or your friends, but it happens A LOT in online spaces. Worst are the forums overrun by neolibs such as r/SubredditDrama and like 90% of lemmy.world mods.

dingus,
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

You’d call that fascism enablers.

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