My ISP has taken total control of my network

This is very troubling, and I’m not even sure where to start. I recently received an email message from my ISP which alerted me to an incoming update. I didn’t worry too much since this is obviously not the first update they’ve ever pushed through.

However, after this update, I noticed that my guest connections and some other things had changed / disappeared. I logged on to my router, and I immediately noticed my custom password had been reset to the default. No problem, I entered it.

At this point, I saw that all of my options were greyed out. I could change the password, which I did, but nothing else. I immediately called my ISP.

I was told that I would have to use their app now, so as much as I dislike using proprietary phone apps, I conceded and installed the app through the Play store.

However, the agent was not entirely honest with me. I still can’t bifurcate my 2.4g and 5g connections, nor can I add or remove any guest connections. I immediately enabled “privacy mode” via the app, which purportedly prevents information from being collected by something called “HomePass,” and I “Delete[d] Guard events” whatever the hell that means, but this seems really troubling. I can no longer access my modem/router settings via the normal interface, but have to use an Android app?

There is only one other ISP in my area. They have much worse/slower service, but should I switch, or is this just the “new normal”? Does what I’m describing even make sense? I’m not a tech expert, but I feel like I’ve self-taught myself how to navigate these settings, and learned from others in online forums, but now … an Android app?

I’d appreciate any advice. I’d even be willing to purchase my own modem/router instead of using the one from my ISP, if that fixes this mess.

Edit: So I need my own router, at least. I did some research, and these are the ones I can get locally that are within my budget:

  • TP-Link Archer AC1900 Dual-Band Mu-Mimo Wi-Fi Router with Gigabit Port
  • Linksys AC1200 Dual Band WiFi 5 Router
  • TP-Link Archer AX1500 WiFi 6 Dual-Band Wireless Router | up to 1.5 Gbps Speeds
  • TP-Link Archer C54 | AC1200 MU-MIMO Dual-Band WiFi Router
  • NETGEAR - Nighthawk AC1900 WiFi Router, 1.9Gbps (R6900) I’VE BEEN WARNED AGAINST NETGEAR THOUGH IN OTHER FORUMS
  • TP-Link | AX1800 4 Stream Dual-Band WiFi 6 Wireless Router | up to 1.8 Gbps Speeds
  • TP-Link Archer AX3000 | 4 Stream Dual-Band WiFi 6 Wireless Router | up to 3 Gbps Speeds
  • Linksys E7350 AX1800 Wi-Fi 6 Wireless Router

Am I right in thinking the TP-Link AX3000 is best?

Edit 2: At first, I bought the Netgear AC1900, which seemed like a great deal. Turns out it was unusable without creating a netgear account, so I returned it in exchange for the TP-Link Archer AX1500, and it appears to be working! I got everything set up pretty close to the way it was before, except even better.

Once I save money, I’ll also invest in a different modem and return this one to my ISP.

This was a big wake-up call for me in terms of privacy. I never listened to people saying not to use your ISP’s equipment because I always trusted my ISP (it’s not one of the big name ones). Never trust a company. Lesson learned. I appreciate all the responses I got! This community is great!

hedders,
@hedders@fedia.io avatar

Never ceases to amaze me just how awful US ISPs are. Why do they get to behave like this? Are they local monopolies or something?

czech, (edited )
czech avatar

They are an oligopoly. Funny video about it with nsfw language: https://youtu.be/0ilMx7k7mso

LinkOpensChest_wav,

There’s one other big provider here, but it’s not nearly as fast or reliable, nor as easy to work with. Up until today, I always praised my ISP, but this is absolutely bonkers!

hedders,
@hedders@fedia.io avatar

By comparison, I live in a small town in rural south east England. I could choose from any one of at least 12 different ISPs, all of whom offer gigabit fibre. And we're relatively backward compared to mainland Europe.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

We’re aggressively backward where I live.

argv_minus_one,

Yes, they are local monopolies. They stay out of each other’s territory, like gangsters.

hedders,
@hedders@fedia.io avatar

Good grief. How depressing.

jahruhn,
@jahruhn@mastodon.online avatar

@hedders @LinkOpensChest_wav if US citizen migrate to Europe for that reason, does that make them technical refugees? :)

empireOfLove,

Get. Rid. Of. Their. Router.

ISP provided networking routers are inherently garbage. They don’t want users messing with that, because your average user doesn’t even know what the fuck an ethernet cable is and will break everything by fucking around in it.

Run your own router and put theirs into modem only mode with routing and wifi disabled. If that’s not an option ask their tech support if you can buy your own DOCSIS/fiber modem (or whatever hardware you use) and return their hardware. If they also don’t allow that… well, switch or just suck it and deal with it while the ISP rubs their nipples some more.

dinosaurdynasty,

You could always do double NAT (put your own router behind theirs) as last resort. It’s not that bad, I’ve done it a lot.

empireOfLove,

yeah, double-NAT tends to break a lot of multiplayer games though so I heavily try to avoid it.

dinosaurdynasty,

That’s surprising, considering CGNAT would break it as well and is meaningfully common.

anonymoose,
@anonymoose@lemmy.ca avatar

Out of curiosity, if your router is able to connect with their network, why do you then need to add their router back in front of yours?

db2,

If you can’t disable theirs.

Devion,

In that case you totally don’t. But many ISPs only allow their own routers/modems or require some very specific abilities from 3rd-party routers usually only found on more high end (expensive) models. So sometimes the last resort is double NATing (which is fine for most users).

dingus,
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

Do you need NAT if their network supports IPv6 and your whole home network is set up in IPv6?

dinosaurdynasty,

Probably, unless they have a static delegation or do prefix delegation properly, which if they did they probably don’t suck enough to require double NAT^ lol

^single NAT for IPv6, assuming they don’t NAT it themselves

tlit341569,

my ISP didn’t gave me the captive portal password and I’m afraid to reset it now because they’ve manually entered the WAN IP 😩

neuromancer,
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  • empireOfLove,

    Of course they have to configure the modem- they have to set it up right to talk to their own hardware. Itd be impossible to use otherwise.

    The point is to insulate your actual LAN settings and router from the ISP so they can’t go fuck with it. This isn’t even a security thing - the ISP can and already is sniffing every packet you send - it’s just trying to maintain some semblance of usable control.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

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    So I can’t disable wireless mode. This too is greyed out, and it also doesn’t let me disable wireless via the app. (When I try, it throws a popup that says “You must have at least one network.”

    So is my best bet to get my own modem with router built in, or could I still connect a router to this, but never use the wifi connection through their equipment? I don’t have a lot of money, so I also want to be a bit mindful of cost.

    Wakmrow,

    Yes, get your own router, don’t use the app. If you’re technically inclined, the app will only restrict what you can do with the equipment. And with ISP owned equipment, they have api access to your equipment.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    I deleted the app as soon as I got a normal router put in place and my network set up the way I want. I’m not sure why I even thought the app would do what I wanted, but the agent deliberately deceived me.

    doppelgangmember,

    Fvck it, run your own router on top of that. Make a another local network and just connect it to the ISP Router, then connect all your devices to the new local. Voila.

    Also run a VPN on the new router if you daisy-chain them.

    keeb420,

    I'd check to see if your provider has an approved modem list, buy one off that and then run your own router.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    So I will want a separate router vs. buying one that has it built in? I can use whatever router I want, right? That part doesn’t have to be from the list.

    stupidfly,

    You are going to get more functionality if you buy separate devices. A combo router is going to give you less flexibility in the future. That is why you keep getting that recommendation.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    That makes sense, thanks. As much as I try to educate myself, I’m a soft sciences guy and a bit of a misfit when it comes to this type of thing :P

    gravitas_deficiency,

    Also keep in mind that you’ll be free of whatever rental fee they were charging you to use their modem/router.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    Damn, you’re not wong! I’ve had this ISP at this address since 2019, and before that we had them at another address for 4 years. I could have probably bought my own modem and router several times over.

    gravitas_deficiency,

    Wow. Yeah, that’s a LOT of wasted money :(

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    It is, and connecting the new router I got, I realize that what I have from the ISP is actually pretty substandard. I can’t wait until I can return it.

    gravitas_deficiency,

    For real, dude. You can get a 2.5gbps home LAN setup these days for a few hundred dollars, and that’s going to be WAY better than the shit Comcast or whoever rents you. The only exception to that is if you’ve got fiber - I believe you’re locked into using their transceiver (because the tech is proprietary). But if you’re on traditional co-ax broadband, the world is your oyster.

    Maximilious,
    Maximilious avatar

    Any combo modem router is typically trash and you NEED separate modem because if you get a combo you will be in the same situation. They will flash the combo unit with the same firmware wether you own it or not.

    You will want an aris modem from there approved list and a good wireless router. When you swap out your modem you will need to call in so they can flash it with thier firmware (which is fine). You can then configure your router as needed.

    I can't recommend a wireless router because I have a Unifi household and have been out of the consumer space for a while. I hear netgear nighthawk are still creame of the crop though.

    anonymoose,
    @anonymoose@lemmy.ca avatar

    Wow, so ISPs can usually flash custom firmware on a 3rd party router? I’m surprised that capability exists, although I can kinda see the rationale for why it does.

    keeb420,

    No but to modems they can because the modem needs to talk to their equipment.

    BigDev,

    Can ISP’s really flash firmware to a 3rd party router? That’s wild. I’m not sure that’s happened to me before, and I’ve been forced to use Comcast/xfinity my whole adult life. I’ve had multiple Arris modems, and whenever I check their status page, it was always Arris branded, and stayed the same before and after hooking it up and registering it with the ISP.

    I always assumed the rigamarole of registering a personal modem was simply a white listing process (give MAC address, receive internet). I’ll have to look more into it, I didn’t know there was anything else going on.

    edge,

    When I try, it throws a popup that says “You must have at least one network.”

    Sounds like it might allow you to disable it after you plug your own router in. If not, customer service might be able to do it. Ask them to put it in modem only mode.

    nihth,

    All the router modem combos I have used have basically disabled most of the features including wifi if it gets set in modem only mode

    VelociCatTurd,

    Some ISPs will not let you put the modem into a true bridged mode. I would try to disable as much on it as you can. As long as the traffic can pass through from the modem to your router that’s the important part.

    Thermal_shocked,

    Yup.iterally only use the modem to convert the signal, then run your own setup off that Ethernet cable.

    Thermal_shocked,

    Yup.iterally only use the modem to convert the signal, then run your own setup off that Ethernet cable.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    That’s what I’m thinking. I looked up how to use bridge mode for my router, and it does look like I am able to access that setting, at least for now.

    roguetrick,

    I bought a refurbished cable modem for less than $30 off of amazon that's working well for me. I'd just go that route instead of using their equipment. Even if it breaks in a year, that's savings over renting ISP equipment.

    fraksken,

    That is literally fucked. There are some scenario’s where I can imagine an ISP wanting to force wireless on. a mesh network for their customers sounds like the most straightforward reason. if you cannot replace the router, faraday the shit out of it. put your own router behind the isp router and don’t forget to change the MAC address of the router (isp will probably block any 3rd party router macs on the network. seen it before)

    empireOfLove,

    The worst part that ISP’s do these days is have all their hardware broadcast “guest” networks that you can’t disable. They market it as a bonus since any of their own customers using their own apps can connect to any ISP-provided guest network anywhere to save mobile data, but it’s actually just a massive uncontrollable security hole.

    trafficnab,

    That shit would get thrown in a metal cage and treated as a radioactive DMZ network-wise if I was forced to use it

    My ISP is the dumb pipe my internet comes from, it’s bad enough that they inject bandwidth cap warnings into the raw HTML of webpages like some sort of adware virus, they can stay the fuck out of my local network

    fraksken,

    messing with html sounds very worrying to me. is that on https connections to any site they do not control? Do you have an isp application installed?

    trafficnab,

    Only HTTP, they intercept any unencrypted page in flight and inject a giant banner at the top that won’t go away until you acknowledge it, no local application required

    This is 100% legal in the US, and in fact, some small regional ISPs actually made money injecting actual ads into webpages, literal spyware

    fraksken,

    that would immediately prompt me to use vpn for any connection. I’m sorry to hear that man.

    mrwiggles,

    This is the result of the death of isps as net-neutral carriers.

    some_guy,

    When I had Comcast, I had to call them and have them turn this stuff off for me, fwiw.

    I’ve owned a TP-Link that frequently lost all my settings. I’ve owned two Netgears and they’ve been great. I’ve owned two Linksyses and they’ve been great. That’s just my experience.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    I couldn’t even access the Netgear settings without creating a Netgear account, so I returned it. My friend who has a Netgear said this didn’t used to be the case, but I could not bypass that requirement.

    amithinkingright,

    Fun thought. I’d try wrapping their wifi router in a faraday cage of chicken wire, test that the signal isn’t going out with a nearby smartphone, then plug ethernet from their to my own wifi router.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    Does chicken wire actually work for this?

    amithinkingright,

    I haven’t tried it but if it chicken wire has enough metal in it, it should work, in principle. I don’t get great reception in my chicken run wrapped in chicken wire, if that makes for a good sign.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    Ah so similar to the metal screen that keeps microwaves from escaping a microwave oven.

    I know people who raise chickens, so maybe I can hit then up for some wire

    argv_minus_one,

    I have fiber here in my apartment.

    There is an optical network terminal with an Ethernet port on it. The optical network terminal does not appear to do any routing, just conversion of the signal between the electrical and optical interfaces. An ordinary PC can be plugged directly into it, use DHCP to get its IP address, and that’s it.

    I was supplied a router by the ISP as well. It’s spent the better part of the last decade gathering dust in a drawer.

    empireOfLove,

    lucky bastard, enjoying fiber optic internet with common sense hardware…

    argv_minus_one,

    No kidding. I’m going to sorely miss this setup if I ever move out.

    AlexisFR,
    @AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

    Is the Unify Dream Machine a good option?

    Deuces,

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  • AlexisFR,
    @AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

    Yeah I was thinking about the consumer one, which also has a WiFi AP integrated.

    JesusRat,

    Yes.

    Thermal_shocked,

    I have the usg pro 4 with ap pros and love it.

    flying_mechanic,

    I can’t speak to the all in one dream machine, though I’m sure it’s similar in capability to my UDM pro, which has been fairly solid for me and only really has had trouble when I induced it myself. It’s definitely much more complex and open than most home routers, and allows you to set every single thing you can think of, the drawback though is that it’s not as automated as some home routers and you need to know what you are setting more in depth when you step off the auto modes. Overall I’ve been very happy with my unifi setup. I also use Protect and I’m looking to set up Access too soon(ish).

    randombullet,

    It’s good enough.

    I’m running wired routers with their wifi systems. I have a lot of control over my network.

    Exusgu,

    If you’re on the techy side and want an all-in-one solution? Sure, if you plan on expanding within their ecosystem later. Unifi’s biggest benefit is the ecosystem, being able to manage everything from one place is nice.

    Thermal_shocked,

    I worked on one clients unifi setup and loved it. Immediately got the usg 4 pro, 24 port switch and 3 pro waps. Highly recommend for a prosumer setup.support can be whack, but lots of YouTube and forums. Meraki too pricey for home setup but the support is top tier for critical business.

    Zuberi,

    Run your own router. NEVER rent a router lol

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    If I gave you a list of the names of routers that are available to buy in my town and that are within my budget, do you think you would be so kind as to recommend one for me? There are so many and I really don’t know where to start

    I promise I wouldn’t hold you accountable for my decision :P

    wild,

    Here’s what ChatGPT has to say about your list:

    That’s a great question! Comparing and contrasting different routers can be tricky, but I’ll do my best to help you out. Here are the best three routers from your list, based on their features, performance, and customer reviews:

    • TP-Link Archer AX3000 | 4 Stream Dual-Band WiFi 6 Wireless Router | up to 3 Gbps Speeds: This router is one of the best Wi-Fi 6 routers on the market, offering fast and reliable wireless connectivity for multiple devices. It has a dual-band design that supports both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz frequencies, with a total bandwidth of up to 3 Gbps. It also has four external antennas that provide a wide coverage area and reduce interference. It has one gigabit WAN port, four gigabit LAN ports, and one USB 3.0 port for sharing files and printers. It supports advanced features such as MU-MIMO, OFDMA, Beamforming, and WPA3 security. It has a user-friendly web interface and a mobile app that let you easily set up and manage your network. It also works with Alexa and IFTTT for voice control and smart home integration. This router has received excellent ratings from customers who praised its speed, stability, and range.
    • NETGEAR - Nighthawk AC1900 WiFi Router, 1.9Gbps (R6900): This router is another high-performance option that supports the Wi-Fi 5 standard. It has a dual-core processor that delivers fast and smooth wireless performance for gaming, streaming, and browsing. It has a dual-band design that supports both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz frequencies, with a total bandwidth of up to 1.9 Gbps. It also has three external antennas that provide a strong signal and eliminate dead zones. It has one gigabit WAN port, four gigabit LAN ports, and one USB 3.0 port for sharing files and printers. It supports advanced features such as MU-MIMO, QoS, Beamforming, and WPA2 security. It has a web interface and a mobile app that let you easily set up and manage your network. It also works with Amazon Alexa for voice control. This router has received very good ratings from customers who appreciated its speed, reliability, and features.
    • TP-Link Archer AX1500 WiFi 6 Dual-Band Wireless Router | up to 1.5 Gbps Speeds: This router is a budget-friendly choice that still offers decent Wi-Fi 6 performance for your home network. It has a dual-band design that supports both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz frequencies, with a total bandwidth of up to 1.5 Gbps. It also has four external antennas that provide a good coverage area and reduce interference. It has one gigabit WAN port, four gigabit LAN ports, and one USB 2.0 port for sharing files and printers. It supports basic features such as MU-MIMO, OFDMA, Beamforming, and WPA3 security. It has a web interface and a mobile app that let you easily set up and manage your network. This router has received good ratings from customers who liked its affordability, simplicity, and performance.

    These are the main differences between these three routers:

    • The TP-Link Archer AX3000 is the most expensive but also the most powerful router of the three, offering the best Wi-Fi 6 performance and features.
    • The NETGEAR Nighthawk AC1900 is slightly cheaper but still very capable router that supports the Wi-Fi 5 standard and offers fast and reliable wireless performance.
    • The TP-Link Archer AX1500 is the cheapest but also the least powerful router of the three, offering decent Wi-Fi 6 performance but with fewer features and ports.

    I hope this helps you make an informed decision about which router to buy for your home network. If you have any more questions or need more information about these routers, please feel free to ask me 😊

    Source: Conversation with Bing, 8/17/2023 (1) The Best Wi-Fi Routers for 2023 | PCMag. www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-wireless-routers. (2) Best Wi-Fi routers for 2023 | Tom’s Guide. tomsguide.com/…/best-wifi-routers,review-2498.htm…. (3) The 7 Best Wi-Fi 6 Routers - How-To Geek. www.howtogeek.com/722600/best-wi-fi-routers/. (4) The 4 Best WiFi Routers of 2023 | Tested by GearLab. www.techgearlab.com/topics/…/best-wifi-router. (5) Best Wi-Fi Routers for 2023 - CNET. www.cnet.com/home/internet/best-wi-fi-router/.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    The AX3000 is actually on sale for $89, down from $130

    solidgrue,
    @solidgrue@lemmy.world avatar

    If you can, look into Ubiquiti. Their Unifi package is pretty comprehensive, and self-hostable.

    If not, get an RPi with two Ethernet interfaces. Run raspbian, and learn IPTables/netfilter with masquerade. Put the WiFi in AP mode. Yes, it’ll suck but at least it’s not their router.

    Save up a little bit and upgrade to a NUC with 2x Ethernet or some older HTPC with two Ethernet interfaces, it doesn’t need to be much. If it can run VMs, maybe you could run even run pfSense or DD-wrt on it. Get a managed switch that understands VLANs. Look into upgrading your WiFi to Ubiquiti Unfi APs with a local controller in a VM.

    This is the way…

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    That looks nice, but ubiquiti is way outside what I can reasonably afford, unfortunately

    Zuberi,

    Those “lists” are likely non-exhaustive. Virtually any combo will work given it works with the internet-protocol your ISP offers. My team prefers TP-Link routers for their update times, but ASUS/Netgear are both solid options as well.

    I use a $250 VPN router because of my team’s interest in the dark web. I find it more helpful to put the entire network behind a wall than w/ each individual device. Imho?.. $250 was overkill for how much I pay my ISP for speeds. But this bad-boy is very future proof. www.tp-link.com/us/…/archer-gx90/

    Future-proof with at least a router (> WiFi 6) AND a modem. The combo-style ones are almost all bad (ymmv).

    Many, many ISPs will lock internet to ONLY the mac-address of the modem/router, so make sure you change the address in settings. For instance, if a company ships you a router, the MAC of that router will be the only one that can connect from your address.

    For TP-Link: 192.168.0.1 -> “Internet” Settings -> “MAC Clone” (Set the MAC address of your router. Use the default address unless your ISP allows internet access from only a specific MAC address)

    Edit: Feel free to post any “options” from your ISP and what speeds/price they offer :)! If you’re only paying for <100Mb/s, a $250 router will be stupidly-overkill.

    Edit2: TP-Link AX3000 WiFi 6 Router is my vote because it also has VPN capabilities if you need that in the future.

    TigrisMorte,

    Never use the ISP provided equipment on your network. Even if you must use their modem and router, have them turn of the wifi, and connect your router to their garbage using the WAN port to connect from their LAN port with nothing else connected. If they refuse to turn off their wifi and you can't do so through the admin, cover their crap in a Faraday cage to kill the signal. Always enter your own DNS settings on your router, never use their DNS. Make sure to use an encrypted DNS to avoid them hijacking it.

    MenacingMight,

    I’m pretty sure they can’t refuse. At least in the US. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    BloodForTheBloodGod,

    I never saw a router without an Ethernet port

    TigrisMorte,

    RJ45 isn't the only connector.

    Syrup,

    Change iSP if you can, ans un any case you should use your own router running OpenWRT to have full control over your own network

    Etterra,

    You should out the ISP by name. Fuck those guys

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    I know, but like I’ve said before, that would also be a bad choice for me regarding my own personal privacy.

    If I felt comfortable doing so, I would have named them immediately because I’m utterly disgusted with this shit.

    mojo,

    Never use their router. Obviously for the issue you’re having now, but also for financial reasons. They charge ridiculous fees for renting their shit routers when buying one for like $120 will be a significant upgrade over there’s and will start saving money like 6 to 8 months in. Also it’s not tied to the company, so you get to keep it.

    Malgas,

    And the same goes for modems. Those monthly equipment fees add up fast.

    finestnothing,

    I spent about $200 on a router and modem when I moved into my last apartment, they have already paid for themselves based on the fees that Xfinity would’ve charged to “rent” the equipment. Plus they’re significantly better than the equipment that isp’s provide

    ruckblack,

    I even had the tech try to install their own router after I’d told them I’d be using my own hardware, and then he ARGUED with me that theirs was better and faster. Didn’t ask for your opinion, install the service the way I asked, I know what I’m talking about in this space.

    kmartburrito,

    OP, people often mention openwrt, but you can also buy a FreshTomato compatible router and also try that. It’s super user friendly, regularly updated, and has a significant amount of features you would likely never find on average routers, just like openwrt.

    I really like using the VPN functionality and running an openVPN server and dynamic DNS setup so I can always connect my phones to a trusted VPN and backhaul my connection through home while I’m out and on a risky open connection.

    As a Cybersecurity professional, I feel like it’s got a lot of good things going for it that I really appreciate, and you can control it without the ISP being able to intrude on your network.

    I run my wired connections through that and use the router for DHCP, and then also have a separate mesh system for my wireless. I can set up separate virtual networks as needed and have them separated/isolated altogether, or allow specifically how I want them to see each other, etc.

    You can even set up entirely different networks by port on the back of the router. Cool stuff. Openwrt is good too, but most people don’t know about FreshTomato I don’t think, it spun off of Tomato several years ago when those devs quit updating it.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    Ooo, this is open source too? I’ve got to be honest, I’m a bit out of my depth, but I’m going to try to learn and understand.

    Thanks for the recommendation. Kind of a bummer that my router isn’t supported by either this or openwrt.

    kmartburrito,

    Yep! It’s open source, which I really like. It’s updated almost monthly so is very active. I like how they quickly patch new vulnerabilities, IMO FreshTomato, and OpenWRT projects are exponentially better from a cybersecurity standpoint protecting you, the router manufacturers are so much slower at putting out updates to their stuff.

    Laitinlok,

    Not worth the hassle, replace the stupid router with an openwrt one

    DanNZN,

    I got a MikroTik router and never looked back. That thing is amazing.

    Edit: typo

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    I was about to comment that I don’t know how to do that, but it looks like openwrt actually has its own forums.

    Still not ready to do this on the spot, but this is another thing worth educating myself about, thanks

    GreatBlue,

    You could also look into OpenWrt and maybe get your device an open firmware. For a more advanced setup you can look into OPNsense, but you will probably need additional devices for WLAN, DECT, etc.

    Jimmycakes,

    I saw your edit are you able to get an asus router in your budget? Check Facebook and Craigslist. That’s gonna be the best brand you can buy with the most features. I got a little usb drive hooked up and it has a built in encrypted torrent Downloader. Mine is pretty expensive but I’m sure you can find a used one.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    Another user recommended an ASUS. I’m probably not going to find one here on Facebook or Craigslist unless I travel to a bigger city, but I’ve had good luck on ebay. In fact, one of the reasons I lack money is that I just bought a laptop off ebay. I … kinda wish I hadn’t done that now, but who knew?

    Like I told someone else, I’m probably going to prioritize getting my own modem now, but whenever I decide to upgrade my router, I can get an ASUS and then give this to a friend or neighbor and help them get set up.

    Limit,

    I’ve had bad luck with all the name brand router wifi combos. I’ve tried several high end models, from tplink to linksys to net gear. I’ve finally built a pfsense box as a router/firewall (qotom mini pc) and I’ve switched to ubiquity ap6 in my house. Finally something that works well for me.

    Granted it depends on what you’re comfortable with and what you use your devices for. I’m using vlans and vpns and different interfaces for various different things so I need the extra functionality pfsense offers.

    habanhero,

    I have been running a TP-Link Archer C4000 for several years now. Super solid, great price, no complaints. For me the tri-band capability is more important than Wifi-AX, which isn’t very useful unless you need incredibly fast network speed or if you have a ton of devices (which all need to be supporting AX).

    uberkalden,

    The c4000 is great. I had some electrical issues which kicked off issues at higher bandwidths, but otherwise it’s been the best router I’ve owned

    kite,

    I don’t know if anyone has murmurings this yet, but if you leave a landline that is through your ISP, and connected to the router, you may not be able to use your own router. Spectrum doors not let you, and despite all the research I did before, I did not find that out until after I purchased my own. You can ask them to split the line and use the old router with the phone, and your new router for internet, but there are potential issues with degradation of service involved, as well as the more mundane problems of running into ISP support who are not interested in understanding what you want, and getting the line actually, physically split.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    The agent I chatted with said I can, and I asked him 3 times in 3 different ways and saved the chatlog

    kite,

    Good luck, I hope it goes well for you!

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    I need all the luck I can get :P

    Thanks!

    Wakmrow,

    You definitely can. You will lose some functionality in the app/web portal but its worth it if you know what you’re doing.

    shortestbreath,

    In work for them. This is as intended. Its meant to reduce service calls where the customer borks it themselves. I’m not an expert so this may not apply everywhere, but you shouldn’t have a problem using a non-spectrum router without even telling them. I don’t use theirs. You should just be able to go buy it, plug the line in , and turn it on. They don’t need to know. In recommend using your own anyway for many reasons. Yours will be more configurable and you can tell them you don’t need theirs, saving you 7 bucks or whatever a month.

    kite,

    Of course it’s on purpose, and it’s understandable, too. And if you have voice along with Internet service, spectrum does not allow you to use your own modem for voice. It won’t work. You can use your own for the internet portion, but you have to contact them to get each item provisioned separately, and then get a splitter to accommodate both. You and also have to make sure the person your are talking to understand what you are talking about, because a lot either don’t, or just don’t care to accommodate you and just say no we don’t do that. I am currently taking a hiatus from going through this very scenario because I don’t have the mental energy right now to fight a tier 1 tech on something that should be so simple.

    shortestbreath,

    But you dont really need to buy your own modem anymore. There’s no issue using spectrums modems. They don’t do anything differently than a store bought one. And there’s no ‘extra’ charge for those. But your own router yes.

    SexualPolytope, (edited )
    @SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I recently had a similar situation and ended up buying an Arris CM8200A modem and a TP-Link AX1500 router. I’m pretty happy with both. If you have any devices that can utilize the increased speed, I’d say the AX3000 will be worth it. You might also want a faster modem if our internet connection is faster than gigabit.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    Just picked up the AX1500 for $60

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