Google Launches Project IDX, A web-based IDE

What if your dev experience was entirely in the cloud?

These days, launching applications means navigating an endless sea of complexity. We felt this pain at Google, so we started Project IDX, an experimental new initiative aimed at bringing your entire full-stack, multiplatform app development workflow to the cloud.

Project IDX gets you into your dev workflow in no time, backed by the security and scalability of Google Cloud.

Project IDX lets you preview your full-stack, multiplatform apps as your users would see them, with upcoming support for built-in multi-browser web previews, Android emulators, and iOS simulators.

As a Vim fanatic, I can’t say I’ll ever feel comfortable working in a browser, but some parts of IDX seem interesting. I wonder what the implications are for proprietary code.

I do think it solves an interesting problem where you’re working on your desktop and decide to move to your laptop and continue working on the same codebase, but don’t want to commit early so you can pull down the changes to your laptop.

It reminds me vaguely of Shells.

csolisr,

If I’m not able to self-host it a la VS Codium, then it’s very much a honeypot.

Osnapitsjoey,

Like for stealing your code?

Also vscodium vs vscode-server. What’s the difference? I’ve heard the ladder has Spyware or something?

fibojoly,

“Hey you guys, come and use our totally free online thing. We promise we won’t use anything you do for our own gains! Pinky swear!”

philm,

So cancer + a different form of cancer = …?

I really don’t get why you want an editor to be based on DOM, it feels just like sluggish … cancer…

Mikina,

I’m avoiding google as much as I can, so this definitely isn’t for me. But, does anyone knows of any self-hosted similar solution? I’m already mostly working remotely on my desktop through Parsec, but having something like a FOSS web IDE running at home would be a little bit better solution for cases where the network speed/quality isn’t good enough to work for the whole streamed desktop case.

Dagamant,

I have a simple method for deciding whether or not to use something.

  • Is it a “cloud service”?
  • Is it made by google?

If either of these is a yes, I look for something else

cloudy1999,

This is a good method. I love technology, but tech companies have become increasingly icky. Trends over the last decade have finally soured me on Google. I just can’t justify using or buying their services.

Blackmist,

What if your dev experience was entirely in the cloud?

What if your dev environment could disappear completely one day when we get bored of maintaining it after it doesn’t immediately displace github?

catch22,
@catch22@programming.dev avatar

this

realitista,

That would be annoying.

Ddhuud,

Eclipse che has missed the train by tying itself to red hat.

tatterdemalion,
@tatterdemalion@programming.dev avatar

I do think it solves an interesting problem where you’re working on your desktop and decide to move to your laptop and continue working on the same codebase, but don’t want to commit early so you can pull down the changes to your laptop.

This has been a solved problem for decades. SSH.

sushibowl,

What’s bad about committing early? Do people not know about --amend?

dmrzl,

There is no such thing as committing early.

Spectacle8011,
@Spectacle8011@lemmy.comfysnug.space avatar

It’s not so much committing early, but pushing early. You don’t want to push early, then rebase your commits, and then force-push to a repository other developers are using too.

But as I’ve learned from all of the responses in this thread, there are many ways of avoiding this 🙂

Spectacle8011,
@Spectacle8011@lemmy.comfysnug.space avatar

Well, it’s what I use with Neovim, but not everyone uses a terminal-based editor. But other users had some other suggestions too: lemmy.comfysnug.space/comment/620209

firelizzard,
@firelizzard@programming.dev avatar

Fortunately for me, VSCode has support for running the backend remotely via SSH.

Mikina,

Ever since I’ve discovered Parsec (or any other remote desktop streaming solution that isn’t TeamViewer), I’ve switched from having to drag around a heavy laptop that still can barely run Unreal to just having a Surface, remotely WoL my desktop at home through a pooling solution that does not require any public facing service (my NAS is just pooling a website API for a trigger. Not efficient, but secure), and just connecting through Parsec.

RDP could also work I’d wager, but then I’d have to set up a VPN and I’m not really that comfortable with anything public facing. But if anyone asks me now for good laptop recommendations, I always recommend going the “better desktop for the same price, and small laptop for remote”.

I’ve yet to find a place where I couldn’t work comfortably through Parsec, it being optimized for gaming means the experience is pretty smooth, and it works pretty well even at lower network speeds. You still need at least 5-10Mbps, but if you have unlimited mobile data you’re good to go almost anywhere.

sjpwarren,

Thanks for sharing about Parsec, it looks interesting. How is the speed? They talk about it being fast but is it?

Mikina,

I’ve never had any issues, it’s pretty well optimized and it’s miles ahead of TeamViewer. So, in my experience, it is pretty fast - if your net can handle it. And if you have lower bandwidth then it’s pretty good at optimizing for speed instead of quality, if that’s what you want.

sjpwarren,

Turns out it won’t share a Linux machine.

Mikina,

Oh, you’re right, I’ve totally forgotten about that. It was one of the (many) reasons why I gave up my last attempt to finally switch away from windows and to Linux.

some_guy,

You know they’ll be saving every line of code and analyzing it and feeding it into their ML models.

Fuck that. Anything I do is staying right here with me unless it’s something I choose to share on GitHub.

shotgun_crab,

We don’t need everything in the cloud or in a browser

ABotelho,

Things have been headed this way for a loooong time. That said, unless I can self-host something like this, I’m not interested.

troye888,

I might be open to the idea, but it would need to be a trustworthy company that doesn’t cancel stuff left and right. An ide would be too annoying to switch constantly to take this risk.

dukk,

What if your dev experience was entirely in the cloud?

No. Just no.

Fuck no.

ron,

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    Dalinar,

    As if Google hasn’t scraped open GitHub projects for longer than Microsoft has owned GitHub.

    Sigmatics,

    No.

    jim_stark, (edited )

    Aren’t we past that point?

    VS Code is Electron based and it can even be deployed in the cloud. We are talking about one of the most popular IDEs.

    Sigmatics,

    You are talking about transmitting every bit of code you write to the internet. Go ahead if you want that, I don’t

    jim_stark,

    I am not saying otherwise. But do we still have a say?

    firelizzard,
    @firelizzard@programming.dev avatar

    Yes. It is still entirely possible to run VSCode or VSCodium locally without any of that cloud crap.

    jim_stark,

    True, I myself prefer VS Codium but how many people use it? And some site like Coursera have VSCode on the web and it can’t be changed to VSCodium.

    firelizzard,
    @firelizzard@programming.dev avatar

    My entire point is that you aren’t forced into using that cloud crap for normal development. And you aren’t forced into any specific IDE. You can choose whatever IDE you want unless your employer mandates something specific.

    JackBruh,

    Also VSCodium is entirely Open Source.

    philm,

    Is it good technically though? Or is it just really popular because it’s so well maintained and extensible?

    I think the main reason vscode is so popular is, because there aren’t really good native alternatives (e.g. I wouldn’t compare e.g. vim because it’s kind of a different target audience).

    So maybe something like zed or so will take the reign of this class of editors, but we’ll see, I just hope it’s not yet another electron or DOM based editor, DOM is bad enough in the web already…

    jim_stark,

    I just hope it’s not yet another electron or DOM based editor

    Unfortunately, yes.

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