juliank,
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Ciabatta arguably was the most important invention of the 1980s, saving Italians from importing baguettes from France for making sandwiches.

juliank,
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Literally ciabatta was invented the same year ET, Rocky III, and Star Trek II were released.

valhalla,

@juliank (btw, it already existed quite some time before that, but it was a regional thing and nobody had thought about marketing it yet)

juliank,
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@valhalla There are two stories about it, the most detailed one is

https://adria.italiani.it/la-ciabatta-italia-pane-mondiale/

Which outlines the evolution of michetta to ciabatta between 1977 and 1982.

The other less substantial stories say it was invented because too many people were buying baguette and bakers feared for their livelihood.

valhalla,

@juliank I've almost stopped reading at “la versione italiana della baguette: la Michetta”

Michetta doesn't look at all like a baguette, it's a bread roll, and I've heard it claimed that it comes from the Austrian Kaiser Roll, which at least is plausible.

And then I've arrived at “Arnaldo assaggiò un pane tipico la Sciavata comasca”, which. what do they think “sciavata” means? Everybody under, say, 60 who was buying that bread in Como in the 1980s (and I suspect the 1970s, but I wasn't there yet :D ) was calling it ciabatta, in Italian.

I don't know how much water was in the original recipe in Como, it was a lot, but maybe it's true that they managed to make a higher gluten flour that allowed for more water (but I'd have serious doubts that they were the only ones doing it), but that's quite a different claim than “inventing ciabatta”.

juliank,
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@valhalla it's all sort of funny story, and yes, sciavata is just ciabatta in Lombard.

But ciabatta italia well it's specifically an industrially produced high hydration bread.

And you can be damn sure I'm also referring to anything looking remotely like it as a ciabatta.

Even if I go bake a 60% hydration pizza dough slob :D

juliank,
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@valhalla It's like when Apple "invents" things by giving them new (well ...) names :D

cate,

@juliank @valhalla I never saw using „sciavata“ for any kind of bread (and I would say it is usually used in some negative context, but so it may be plausible: it is not a standard soft bread). “sciavata” is used mostly figurative: for people: dud (schiappa) or for food: something hard to chew. And i think that may be the origin (because it is dry) not the shape.

valhalla,

@cate @juliank so on the wrong side of the border you don't have the Best Bread Ever Made? (I'm talking about the original one from Como, not the industrial one :D )

on a more serious note: you don't use ciabatta or sciavata for slippers / home shoes, nor for power strips, then?

for hard to chew food here usually we use “shoe sole” (suola di scarpa) or just “sole” (suola).

juliank,
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@valhalla @cate shoe sole for hard to chew stuff kind of sounds familiar to a German ear. 😮

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