hrefna, (edited )
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In the annals of things no one cares about but which are vaguely interesting to me: how my brain parses pronouns.

I got into a fight a while back with someone because I insisted that I don't have pronouns. That's not how pronouns work for me. My pronouns are preferred.

I use pronouns, but I don't "own" them.

(You can own your pronouns, they can be yours and you can "have" them, this is about me)

The analogy I use is that they are a pointer to the thing, not the thing itself

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hrefna,
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There are some pronouns I strongly prefer (xe, she), some I appreciate (they), some I'm kind of eh on with conflicted feelings (fae), some I really dislike but they don't feel misgendering (peh, vi), and some that are actively misgendering (he, it).

When I describe what pronouns to use for me in more depth than a single line summary I provide a directed acyclic graph.

Note that I'm not fluid. My gender doesn't really change, so the pronouns aren't really reflecting some inner sense.

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hrefna,
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I'm genderqueer, I'm nonbinary, I'm genderfae. These are good terms.

But I am not genderfluid. So I'm not changing pronouns because there's something internal to me.

Also, when I use "they" to refer to an unknown person it feels generic, not misgendering. A placeholder for the value rather than the value itself.

Using they on someone I know prefers(/is) she/her is different from "they" when you don't know their gender or pronoun use (see what I did there).

So what is going on?

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hrefna,
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In the annals of "everything is math to Hrefna" I basically think of it for me like a typed pointer.

"They" is like… (void *). I can fit anything in it, but should I really be doing that? Well some objects that's all you can say about them!

Some objects have multiple different types. You can reference my gender with a "they" pointer, but you have to do a little casting, you can reference it with a "she" pointer or a "xe" pointer (but you still may need to cast it to access all fields).

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hrefna,
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What's the underlying gender, is it "she" then?

No. The underlying gender is the underlying gender, this is a pointer to the underlying gender. The same way saying (void *) doesn't refer to a "void typed object."

Some things like "peh" are not technically wrong, you can still get useful information out of it, but it's like thinking of a string as an array of integers.

Then there's things like "it" and "he" which are like trying to use a pointer for an integer to reference a string.

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hrefna,
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This means not that the pointer is (she *) but rather that she := ((some unnamed gender) *). they := (void *). etc.

Anyways, ymmv. This is only my brain's way of working with these concepts.

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tsdower,
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@hrefna yesss. I have gotten a lot of mileage framing pronoun sets like MIME types, for a similar sense of 'they' will do for basic parsing but a lot of usable detail will be missed. And sometimes I like it that way.

mpuckett259,
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@hrefna mine is "everything is music." Pronouns are genres to me. They are useful(-ish) descriptors but not a full accounting of reality. Rock/rap/country/metal/punk are all extremely nebulous, and you can add more descriptors (death metal, horrorcore rap, alt rock, third/fourth/fifth wave emo lol) but they are Zeno's paradox of getting infinitely closer but never quite fully describing the thing they are meant to.

maco,
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@hrefna
“Like thinking of a string as an array of integers” hiiiiii Erlang

hrefna,
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@maco yuuuuuuuup, exactly x_x

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