I can see my feed is going to be filled with both the suggestion that Israelis can be forgiven for ELECTING Netanyahu, because they PROTESTED it, ana also with the implication that Ashkenazi Jews are NOT ethnic Israelites.
Presumably sometime today I will see Jesus referred to as "a Jewish Palestinian", rather than as "a Jew", which is how HISTORIANS mean it. The latter "Jewishness" means a relative of Ashkenazi and other bloodline Jews, not a random person with a particular religion.
@chemoelectric Bibi’s a tire fire in many of the ways Trump (or Kent Paxton) are.
My relationship with Judaism is complicated, but it’s easiest to say I’m secular. (I was raised Episcopalian, getting a bat mitzvah to honor the heritage of my mother’s mother.)
To me, Israel’s forgotten that half the world’s Jewish population lives there, and endless needling of a lower-status population tied to a many-times larger global population of sympathizers has never ended well in history.
@deirdresm My core problem is that Israeli Jews and the Jewish Diaspora have an asymmetrical relationship: you scratch my back, you scratch mine.
I am 3/4 Ashkenazi Jewish, and on both the maternal and paternal lines, and went to Hebrew School at a very poorly attended Conservative synagogue in New Jersey. I am atheist. My relationship to Judaism is it is my people's "tribal" religion and a way of collecting our wisdoms, literature, stupidities, etc. Jewry is the term that matters here, though.
@deirdresm Bibi, after all, hardly follows Judaism. It is no secret he does not follow Judaism. But he cannot possibly avoid being a Jew, however much he might actually desire it. He is a carbuncle on the ass of Jewry.
He is the sort who try to convince the Gentiles (and keep in mind I am 1/4 Gentile, so no hating on the Goyim shall be tolerated) that he is like them and NOT like all the Shylocks out there (such as the caricatures Yair Netanyahu was caught peddling).
@deirdresm I can tell you from my own family background, a bunch of working Jews are no better than a bunch of working anybodies. Bigots and idiots like the rest. "Seinfeld" is reality. It is prejudice that Jews might somehow be superhuman and surpass that.
But this should be obvious. My Grandma was from East New York, where the next generation of kids after her were recruited to be part of Murder Inc. Jews were gangsters like everyone, because JEWS ARE PEOPLE.
Here's something about Judaism and forgiveness: there is no call for unconditional forgiveness, as some might be familiar with from their very non-Judaic traditions. One might offer it, but one is more likely to offer it after actual steps have been taken to right the wrong.
Oust Bibi, finally put him in prison for heck's sake (the man is a thief), and then we might talk forgiveness.
(Holding grudges—particularly against fellow Jews, Jack Klompus-style—is looked down upon, however. So one might simply be left unforgiven, but not actively persecuted.)
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