TuneAFish,

‘Real man’? If anyone implies you’re a fake man they aren’t trying to help you.

Wigglehard, (edited )

This community is designed and set up to help younger male users figure out the traditional traits of masculine leadership. Recent studies show how lonely and disillusioned young men are in particular. I think we should encourage good traits in young men. And no one said anything about some kind of personal attack against “fake men”. Sounds kind of like a personal issue to be honest, no offense.

TuneAFish,

Except these lists don’t uplift men.

If you’re a man and you do X, then X is a thing real men do.

Comparing what you do, as a man, to what other men do to check if “you’re a real man” is an inherently insecure thing to do.

These kinds of lists seek to destroy men’s self esteem. “You don’t do Y? Then you’re not a real man” is not helping anyone. It is a good way of finding men with low self esteem, or creating men with low self esteem so you can sell them things though.

Wigglehard,

I disagree, its just a guideline like self help book shit, if you let this type of content get you down or depress you i think you should seek a therapist idk cz im not a professional

TuneAFish,

To any men reading after this:

You see what these lists do to people? They destroy your self esteem to the point that you double reply to strangers on the internet that don’t give you the attention you crave.

To Wigglehard: Please stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.

I said what needed saying, you told me to go my way and let you go yours. I was happy to leave it there, thanks for proving my point though.

Wigglehard,

I drive tractor trailer trucks for a living and only post while im working, sometimes i cant get back to the person Immediately. And your comment “ you double reply to strangers on the internet that don’t give you the attention you crave.” keep reaching cz tbh i dont care if ppl like it or not, im a keep posting stuff like i have on this website for the past three years and other social networks, if you don’t like this community i would suggest you stop being a cry baby about it and move the on or block me or this community cz your post is pathetically irrelevant to anything other than you basically saying “reeeeeeee how dare you define what a real man is, you’re destroying peoples self esteem mr wiggles, reeeeeee” Just my opinion mr fish dude

TuneAFish,

Thanks for proving my point again.

I suppose I should point out: you did reply to me immediately. Then when that didn’t work you replied to me again, hence “double reply”.

Wigglehard,

Dude i dont give a fuck tbh

TuneAFish,

You already proved you do though. Hence the little rant above.

Wigglehard,

Your just mad that you got it all, a dick and a vagina

TuneAFish,

You don’t care so much that you’re imagining my genitals? Thanks for proving my point.

Wigglehard,

Lol I guess i walked into that one, why are you mad bro, dont like my politics or something what made you choose exploding heads, lets talk

TuneAFish,

Post nut clarity makes you want to talk I guess, here’s the comment you ignored. Thankfully, you demonstrated my point about these lists and their readers’ self esteem:

Except these lists don’t uplift men.

If you’re a man and you do X, then X is a thing real men do.

Comparing what you do, as a man, to what other men do to check if “you’re a real man” is an inherently insecure thing to do.

These kinds of lists seek to destroy men’s self esteem. “You don’t do Y? Then you’re not a real man” is not helping anyone. It is a good way of finding men with low self esteem, or creating men with low self esteem so you can sell them things though.

Wigglehard,

I’ll admit fully that im a bit hot headed at times and never said i cant be an asshole so my bad on that, i did respond with my thoughts on young ppl men in particular feeling disillusioned in today’s society, i think society has forgotten and dismissed certain values, i think helpful discussions on make leadership or values would help, like for example why is it that fatherless homes are an epidemic in society, are men not living up to certain standards, idk what the solution is, im not a professional

TuneAFish,

Obviously, some men’s self esteem is through the floor. Articles like this one are actively making it worse and profiting on the misery.

Are men not living up to certain standards

You see that’s part of the problem. You think there’s some “man standard” you have to live up to, there isn’t, if you want to paint your nails that doesn’t make you any less a man. Here’s the man standard, the actual man standard:

If you’re a man and you do X, then men do X.

That’s it. Men who aren’t insecure about their masculinity don’t give a shit what an article says, they’re going to do what they want anyways, be like them.

After that, the problems become bigger than the stated scope of this community.

Wigglehard,

Some other time I’ll get into a philosophical discussion about proper values and society based on gender role but right now I’m making deliveries

tom,

Oh dude, stop. Or don’t, hopefully everyone sees what you’re doing and how. Honestly, starting off with the whole “see a therapist if you’re that offended” (the “you snowflake cuck” was unspoken but loud, don’t worry) was waaaaay too obvious.

Real men don’t think therapy’s an insult (d’ya see what I’m doing there? My tongue, however, is firmly in my cheek when I write shit like that).

Wigglehard,

I dont care, “seek therapy if you’re insulted” idk man its the internet bro, we all see shit we like and dont like, get real, most ppl spend way too much time on the web, given a choice i think ppl would be better off working on themselves in regular life than stressing about what some random fuck face like me wrote on a shit website deep in the shitterverse

Wigglehard,

Well, then open your own community promoting what you think is best and ill do this

Jo,

You're posting to "random", not your own sub?

And you're posting a lot of abject nonsense about "real men". All men know how to be real men because they are real men. The only thing they need to know is to ignore the terminally insecure sadsacks who bang on about real men.

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