For a while I was playing video games with a mouse that had a broken scroll wheel. Some games just don’t even implement a scroll bar at all… So you have to hold down the arrow keys to go through each item. So infuriating.
I absolutely hate how tiny scrollbars have gotten. I hate how clicking in a certain spot cause the scrollbar to move slightly instead of jumping directly to where I click.
These are modern design decisions that I think shitty designers implemented because they need to feel useful. Then, autistic users who want nothing on their screen praise them for it.
It’s disgusting and I hope, one day, we can look back on how the 2010s were the worst decade for software design so far.
Actually dragging the scroll position indicator as in the comic is still cringe though. I fully agree with the usage of clicking to go quickly to where I want to go, but the most useful thing about a scrollbar to me is that I can look at it to know where I am in the page.
Why would you want to make it jump directly? You can just hold until it gets there. If the content is excesively long, then the problem would be the designer
Also, linking to a shitty reddit post that forces me to open an imgur link that then again forces me to click the damn picture to be able to see it well enough to read is just stupid as well.
(D) Delete the current 0 value for the default OS style scrollbar. Then input the value 1 (Mac OS X), 2 (GTX), 3 (Android), 4 (Windows 10), or 5 (Windows 11) in the widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style box for the scrollbar style you want to change to. For example, enter 4 to change the scrollbar to the default Windows 10 design.
(E) Click the Save button on the right side of the widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style setting to apply.
Also for the hiding:
Windows: Settings > Ease of Access > Display > Automatically hide scroll bars in Windows
Mac: System Preferences > General > Show scroll bars
It is Sublime Text!
I personally love it, but IntelliSense made me switch some time ago. The free version asks you to get a license every 50 or so saves, just saying that in case it bothers someone. Other than that, it’s a pretty great text editor, definitely much faster (and less bloated) than VSCode.
I like the way GTK is doing it. You have a thin scrollbar that is overlayed over the content and has no background (so just the knob) but when you get near it with the mouse, the background appears and it becomes double as thick. That way you’re not wasting any space but you don’t have this issue of it being hard to use either.
What I also like about GTK’s scrollbars is that the scrollbar only auto hides when the scroll area completely looses focus. As long as the mouse cursor is hovering anywhere in the scrolling region the scrollbar is visible, so you don’t have to scroll first to see where the scroll position is.
Minimalist design really went from “maybe 38 different clickable links isn’t the most optimal way to get around this site, we should probably optimize how we use screen space” to “WE MUST GET RID OF USEFUL FEATURES SO WE CAN DISPLAY 5-8 MORE PIXELS OF WHITESPACE” in the span of a decade lol
Eh, scrollbars are one of my least favourite UX design choices, though I respect that some people like them and do think that they should be a reasonable size for those who do want them.
There are so many better ways to navigate vertically scaling content now (not least of which, mousewheels). I think they served a good purpose in the early days of document editors and web browsers, but they’re a bit of an easy out for poorly laid out content.
It’s so much easier to just drag a scrollbar than use the mouse wheel to go past 1000s of lines - especially if you know how far down the bit you want is!
That is absolutely correct. Anyone who’s done office work or computer work with huge documents knows the true value of the classic scrollbar.
It is superior to the scroll wheel because it gives more powerful control over the same function, but since it is slightly harder to use than the wheel, the lazy users avoid it for mundane tasks.
NGL, it is lit. But it’s kind of in minimap territory where you don’t actually need a scrollbar to give the same info. Definitely helps with seeing the density of results in certain areas of long docs
People with dexterity and hand control challenges have a difficult time with these skinny scroll bars.
I have neither dexterity nor hand control challenges and I still find it incredibly hard to grab those skinny scroll bars.
One additional design “feature” I really despise is auto hiding scroll bars. So then to visually see when I am I have to scroll up and down to bring it back.
And web designers that do that stupid scroll hijacking where scrolling “stops” and then things move around for a bit should be launched into the sun. It’s the most anti-UX design I’ve ever seen. It’s literally the same as temporarily causing your mouse cursor to move in the opposite direction of input and then calling it a “design feature”.
Imagine if each application on your computer arbitrarily changed up the direction your mouse cursor moves. It’s literally the same thing. Computer input should be 100% predictable and reliable. The instant you do that it makes the computer/program/website feel sluggish and inoperative.
No, we don’t get settings because companies skimp out on engineers to actually build the backend, and Apple normalized not being able to customize your workflow so people accept it. It has very little to do with design trends.
Computer UI design is what is being discussed; not really pre-internet media.
What happened is that pro tools became available to unskilled, untalented, and unseasoned amateurs around 2000. I think what’s being criticized is the “web 2.0” trend that arose when every nincompoop with cracked copies of Adobe/Macromedia Suite(s) could produce and publish trash, as became sooooo easy and cheap. Whereas prior to this shift in technology, design had to be well-conceived and intentional because proofing and publishing was an expensive barrier to tom-fuckery by hobbyists.
Back in the day, the guideline was to put useful information and links at the top of the page when it loads, so that people could read the important bits and follow the links they needed without having to scroll down. Then everyone started using the entire space on load for a stock marketing photo or video so you would always need to scroll to see anything useful. Then they added whitespace everywhere so you’d need to scroll more. Then they removed the scrollbars. And sometimes they make scrolling do unpredictable animations instead of scrolling. It has become self-indulgent design instead of functional.
I bought a macropad with knobs just because of this… (I use a Wacom tablet in place of a mouse and it doesn’t have a worthy scrollwheel alternative, so I couldn’t navigate many “modern” websites and programs)
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