If you become less productive than China then they get the market. You want to fix the problem by making US business owners to pay up, but capital has no nationality. If you succeed then you have to accept that there is no way for the US to have such a big military complex and it’s time to let China be the world’s super power.
I’m surprised Wacom hasn’t added ai to their tablet software like that google drawing program that guessed what you were trying to draw long ago and would make it for you
No-one. Training a neural network, natural or artificial, is not "stealing". Or no artist would be able to study the works of other artists to become a better artist themself.
I get why people are upset, but isn’t it kinda futile? Everything that can be replaced with AI will be. From arts to dev and anything else they can think of. It’s only a matter of time until the tech is good enough for any particular problem. Trying up legislate against it doesn’t seem useful either. People will get around it eventually.
We’re moving towards a world where lots of us won’t have viable jobs in these fields. We’ll either find different jobs or need some form of UBI
Doomerism - I don't think that word means what you think it means (or you just don't understand what UBI could be the start of, don't know anything about MLK, probably all of the above).
Considering MLK's understanding and support of Marxist ideas, he'd probably be fighting for technological progress as long as it came along with UBI, since that's literally the basis of a better world for everyone, unlike systemic racism and capitalism he was fighting against, which really aren't comparable at all (sure, both could be used to fuck up the prospect and potential of technological progress and UBI, but that's the fault of systemic racism and capitalism, not technological progress and UBI).
We’re moving towards a world where lots of us won’t have viable jobs in these fields. We’ll either find different jobs or need some form of UBI
this is the comment. it’s pure 100% doomerism with a “we have to find other jobs” thrown in. this isn’t, “we should do this if it comes with UBI”.
also don’t really appreciate the giant paragraph where you claim MLK is in favour of AI, or would be, that’s just weird. don’t do that, don’t put words in the mouth of dead people. You can make arguments without that.
Lmfao, says the person who invoked MLK in the first place, and literally put words in his mouth (words only someone who knows nothing about him would try to relate to him in this context)... 😂😂😂
Thanks, I really needed a good laugh to start the day with, and apologies for challenging you with two whole sentences, I won't put you through such hell again..
and literally put words in his mouth (words only someone who knows nothing about him would try to relate to him in this context)
you realize i was using those words as an example of something he didn’t say right? Specifically, I was pointing out how his message was against defeatism and doomerism by showing how he didn’t use those words.
do you not understand this concept? In addition, why are you like this?
You’re right about marxists favoring tech progress, but they traditionally oppose a UBI. That’s generally true of the traditional left, not just the fringes.
They represented (or wanted to) the working class; people who did not just work for a living but took pride in being a worker and contributing to society. They tend to believe in a right to make a meaningful contribution to society (aka work) but also in a duty.
It is, this is the equivalent of protesting the printing press. It would be most useful to find a way to transition gracefully, but most people are still in the denial stage.
The printing press didn’t change the text inside the books and made books widely available to the public. Art is already everywhere, we don’t need AI to have enough of it and it fundamentally replaces what is actually good about art.
AI is making it possible for everybody to create art (for certain definitions of art). That’s the same thing the printing press made possible, it lowered the barriers to anybody creating their own publication. The parallels are extremely numerous and striking, for those without a preexisting bias.
Prompting a machine isn’t creating art any more than commissioning an artist is creating art. Writers still had to actually write books to print, AI removes everything between the initial idea and the final product.
You’d have a point if the printing presses only put out randomized, meaningless chicken scratch, but instead you’re conflating how art is presented with the art itself.
Yes and No. That Wacom Dragon legitimately looks awful; its tail a messed up, nonsensical mess. I think the problem isn’t as much just “AI art” as it is “awful art”, because if a human had made it, it would have been absolutely better; it would have made sense at the very least. Instead you have middle managers trying to cut corners and the end result is an insult to creative workers everywhere; and the managers and marketers who approved this said “meh, good enough” and didn’t even try.
That’s the most insidious part of AI Art used in marketing, a race to the bottom in terms of quality that leads to crap being thrown in consumers faces because creative, knowledgable people aren’t being included in the conversation.
But how much will we accept? Every step of tech was only ever used to increase production while workers got zero benefits. Now, artists will be expected to churn out way, way more because they have AI. Their pay won’t go up. If anything it will probably try to go down—if that was possible for artists.
Just because these things seem inevitable and fighting them is like fighting the tides, the conversation needs to be about how can we spread out the benefit. Share the wealth of easing the workload. And when something like that is suggested, the initial reaction is one of hesitation and “well, that’s not gonna work.” Because we’ve been conditioned into this insane world of benefit going up and workload being shoved down the ladder.
It’s created an already unsustainable world where people are worked to death while profits, profitability, and productivity soar, quality goes down, worker standard of living goes down, buying power of our paychecks go down and prices for everything only go up, profits are hoarded, untaxed, inequality explodes and we are all meant to just take it.
And then there are plenty of workers among us that think, “eh, what are you gonna do? It’s inevitable.” We can’t think like that. The line needed to be drawn fuckin ages ago. Accepting more of the same should be out of the question.
People fighting AI are fighting to keep this broken system. AI has the potential to, over the course of this coming century, eliminate all human labor.
Our objective shouldn’t be to fight that, but to ensure that as it happens, humans are taken care of and the benefits of this propagate to us all, because those who are trying to hoard the benefits to themselves are happy to see people fighting to ‘limit’ the use of AI or to ‘save jobs’ because it means those people are not fighting them.
whilst i kinda agree, i don’t think it was intentional on their part (as with most of these controversies)… i think they paid a 3rd party for an artwork, and then that 3rd party took shortcuts - whether whole cloth, or with things like content aware fill - and wacom didn’t ask questions (which they probably should have, because this image in particular is really obviously AI generated)
they should all probably update their contracts to ensure artwork is 100% done by a human with big penalties for infringement though - they just haven’t caught up because it’s a relatively new problem
This just show how ready and willing are many companies to replace human creativity with cheap AI. If anyone really thought that this wasn’t the direction they were pointing to, he was just deluding himself. New creativity tools “my ass”.
Maybe for companies that aren’t selling tools for digital artists, but WACOM is literally trying to sell a product that humans use to create these images. To usurp the their customer base and buy an AI image (even unintentionally) shows at best a complete lack of understanding about what kind of art is being made with their tablets and at worst a disregard for a major concern of their customer base.
The same arguments were made in the 80s when products like Adobe appeared in the design market. Capitalism is about survival of the fittest whether we like it or not, and AI is a tremendous advantage.
Right? There’s so much talk about paying artists in exposure but how often do artists actually get exposed?
Don’t think copyright should be an issue. We know for example that the soundtrack to the Disney film Encanto was composed by Lin Manuel Miranda, but Walt Disney still owns the copyright. Same could go for the rest of the entire film, they do give credits to people who contributed but Disney still owns the copyright.
Having a signature somewhere on an advert shouldn’t be a big deal.
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