That’s not enough. We want investigations that bring consequences.
Edit: the people who are commenting below about how “we have no control” etc etc, I just want to say, “Shut the fuck up.” Nobody wants you around anymore. Just because YOU have been a weak POS your entire life spouting off weak, sad bullshit trying to divert REAL change doesn’t mean that the rest of the country is like you. Go back to your holes because I promise if you don’t and you keep acting up, we will put you back in your caves. The public isn’t stupid, and they aren’t weak. It’s scumbags within the wealth class that are protected by losers like you all naysayers and class traitors who try to make it seem that way. Trump and Biden is a symptom of class traitors turning on the public, not a show of force by the elites. Best recognize.
What we want, and what happens in reality, have absolutely no connection. Money is what makes the world go around. Money is the only thing that matters to our society.
No, it’s the only thing that matters to our current leadership. That can be changed. Either by changing their minds, or by removing and replacing them.
Oh I’m not assuming the system isn’t owned by the rich. But the people in power can still be removed and replaced, even if the methods in place aren’t setup for it. The French are pretty good at it, for example.
Not good enough, I want more than just a change of leadership. I want federal oversight at every Boeing Facility. I want the FAA to have a new office funded by Washington to scrutinize this company. I want Boeing Employees purged from the FAA.
When you have financial engineers overriding the decisions of mechanical engineers, you get crashy airplanes and eventually, caught up murdering people that might talk to investigators in order to defend those juicy profits
…sort of like how when administrators and insurance folk and lawyers and judges override the decisions of doctors and nurses, you end up with highly profitable hospitals and people dying for it
…all a bit like when the bean counters run your software company, layoffs designed to boost stock price by showing investors ‘fiscal discipline’ leaves your engineering teams shorthanded and forces them to de-prioritize bug fixes and dealing with technical debt and rigorous testing and you end up shipping lots of bugs when you release your product
Don’t blame accountants. They don’t make any decisions, and they don’t have the technical expertise to know what is dangerous.
The CEO is a good start. I bet the COO and head of engineering are also at fault. People signed off on these planes without doing the required installation of the door. If it’s a systemic issue, the quality control team is to blame.
Aviation is a regulated industry, right? I expect the FAA to get to the bottom, if not lawsuits.
The shareholders get their fall guy, cool, but what about the entire leaderships criminal negligence? Because you can’t convince me that the CEO was single-handedly making the call to cut corners.
15 million in stocks that vest in 3 years plus his 1.4 million in base salary plus plus his 22 million in stock, which has admittedly taken a beating as of late.
Highly recommend the book ‘Flying Blind’ by Peter Robison on Boeing and the decline of its safety culture after the merger with McDonnell Douglas. That’s when the “business” types who ran the former company into the ground took over both and we see the same results here.
Before the merger, the engineers were in charge and safety was taken seriously. Now, it’s more about stock, etc.
Long ago the four nations lived in harmony. But everything changed when the business nation attacked. Only the regulations could stop them, but when the world needed them most, they vanished.
When capitalism is no longer propped up by the government, masquerading as democracy, so that they, too, can greedily profiteer on the short term gains of a quality product that has been ran into the ground for the sake of a bigger personal estate.
Maybe just learning to live with it would be better. It’s cliche at this point. Company thinks big, takes big risks, makes shitton of money and shitton of mistakes. Wall Street takes over and the company circles the drain. We all know it’s going to happen. That uniqueness will converge, or made to converge to the mean, and given enough time every company will be an also-ran.
I got into Soylent when it first came out. It said proudly made with GMOs on the label. The recipe was open source and a revision number on it. The inventor was conducting medical tests on himself as a test subject and tweaking the nutrition balance and it was all made by one facility. Now, the proudly made with GMOs is gone, it is closed source, the recipe seems to never change, the supply of bottled comes from a different facility each time I order it. What happened? The company was sold to an established player and they made it just yet another meal replacement drink.
I guess what I am saying is it is probably just easier to accept that this is going to happen. The craftsman of your grandfather is the cheap junk of today.
John Barnett didn’t kill himself and they’re doing a damn good job of sweeping it under the rug. It barely got mentioned in by any mainstream news outlets. Even Epstien got more media coverage than this.
So what about his seat on the board and what about the Director of the board, Bradway?
At the end of the day, it’s the board that’s signing off on the high level strategy. They need to be held accountable too. The CEO isn’t the top of the pyramid. The board is.
Thank you! Folks around here are always baggin’ on CEOs like they’re the top dogs. Nope. The Board often orders them to do stupid shit, and sometimes they’re brought on to do stupid shit. Hence the golden parachute thing. Damn straight I want paid if you fire me for doing what I was told.
I’m just flabbergasted it took this long. It’s COMICALLY obvious that this is the result of a decades-long legacy of technical leadership failures and safety-incompatible profit fixation.
Just going to state the obvious here: Boards of directors of large public company should have a % of the board elected by company workers and another % appointed by elected politicians. The problem here is corporate boards entirely run by investors.
Culture change takes a while; I feel like even if they replaced everyone at the top with safety minded engineers to run the company, it would be some time before they dig themselves out of the hole they created for themselves.
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