lapommedeterre,

That’s no bueno

Currens_felis,

First it was 40%, now it’s 63%

yessikg,

Employers could pay their employees’ student loans, stop forcing them to commute, and pay them well

quams69,

I work full time for CVS and I have 26 cents in my bank account, nevermind 500. I literally cannot save, every cent is expenses. When an emergency happens I am straight up fucked every time.

An emergency happened for me in june and I was homeless by July, working fucking full time. Thank fuck I have a family I can stay with.I fucking hate this country. Literally standing in line to donate plasma for gas money. Christ.

SocialMediaRefugee,

I still see LOTS of people with massive trucks, muscle cars and SUVs though.

socsa,

Yeah 63% seems way too high. The median wage in the US is like $50k. That’s not a ton of money, but half the population should definitely be able to find $500 in an emergency.

CADmonkey,

Next time you see one of the fancy lifted “brodozer” trucks, pay attention to the tires. Often times they’re in bad shape, nearly worn out.

That’s because they bought this thing for $700 per month and never took into account that the fancy tires are $300+ each.

bob_wiley,

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  • dfc09,

    True, financial literacy is pretty lacking, but that’s more of an education issue than “their fault”

    Most dealerships and banks will happily approve a loan that’s too high to be realistic. It’s predatory, I make $20/hr and got approved for up to $300k for a mortgage. I bought a house worth half that and it’s still a lot. Just feel like banks really shouldn’t let people sign loans worth 80% of their monthly income

    escapesamsara,

    Financially illiteracy is a point; but it’s not a point for 50+% of the US. Median wage is $50k/year, which is far too low to ever purchase a home, so they’re affected by the median rent being $1,383. which is half their net income.

    dangblingus,

    How employers may help change that? PAY YOUR FUCKING PEOPLE MORE MONEY.

    BurnedDonutHole,

    As a non American can I ask about your monthly budget? I’m really curious as to what’s really going on and how much it’s costing because everyone from different states are talking differently.

    bob_wiley,

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  • BurnedDonutHole,

    Thank you I’ll check.

    ellabee,

    to an extent, it really does differ by state. however, housing costs went up significantly for both buying a house or renting in the last 2 years.

    I live in the greater Seattle area, but not in Seattle, which is fairly expensive. I make about $50k per year, which is about $3400/ month take home after taxes and paying for health insurance. $1550 of that goes to rent. internet costs me $60/ month; I could get cheaper, crappier internet, but this way I also get to work from home a few days a week and enjoy online video games. power varies, depending on if I need to run the heat. for the summer, it’s about $60/month, in the winter it might go up to $200/month. I don’t do well in the cold, I could save money but sleep poorly and risk getting sick by not warming up so much. my brother has a deal for phone service, so we share a family plan where my share is $30/ month. I don’t have a car now, I ride the bus generally. that’s about $50/ month, but varies if I need to be in the office more or go more places than my usual sedentary habits.

    if you’re keeping track, that’s about $1600/ month left after allocated expenses. I haven’t talked about food or other household necessities, or any fun leisure stuff. you’ll also notice I don’t have any student loans or medical debt or a car loan. I did spend a full year unemployed during covid, and ran up my credit card staying afloat. so I’ve got about $20k debt that I put at least $500/ month toward.

    getting a car would be prohibitively expensive here - in addition to the cost of the car, I’d also be paying $100/ month to park it, +gas, +insurance. I’ve lived in other states where not having a vehicle meant you couldn’t work, because there was no effective public transit. usually those places didn’t have the parking expense, but gas and insurance alone are more expensive than my transit costs here usually are.

    I’m pretty ok for this area. my rent is pretty cheap for a studio apartment (no bedroom, just living area, private kitchen, private bathroom). my debt is fairly low, and my credit remains pretty good, so if I need a loan it’s an option.

    BurnedDonutHole,

    Thanks for the detailed information.

    Album,
    @Album@lemmy.ca avatar

    The US is massive and each state and city can have wildly varying costs of living and pay.

    So it’s a bit hard to compare someone from NYC to someone who lives in Austin Texas.

    Generally on the north east coast the cost of living is high due to density and so wages/salaries tend to be higher than somewhere with a lower cost of living. As you move into the mid west and central US things tend to come back down before going up again on the west coast.

    inclementimmigrant,

    Same article from decades ago. This is nothing new, it’s not gotten better, it won’t get better anytime soon.

    Hazdaz,

    Americans live above their means.

    SoBoredAtWork,

    Yeah. Too much avocado toast. /s

    LaunchesKayaks,
    @LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world avatar

    God forbid I treat myself to something nice once a year.

    okamiueru,

    America is kinda fucked up. Seeing it from the outside, nothing is surprising, the solutions are fairly obvious. If nothing else, the direction in which to go. Yet, it’s just dumb and dumber.

    You had a real shot at change with Bernie Sanders. At least one of the three pieces. At this point, you’ll have a revolution within the next 5-10 years that changes the two party system, or it’s lights out.

    librechad,

    Whatever happened to Andrew Yang? Been praying for my universal income

    BrandonMatrick,

    Yanggang is still around, but it’s not looking likely we’re getting any kind of party nomination. I think it’s microwaved Bidem for dinner this round.

    SCB,

    Neither of these options is going to happen. The country will not fail, and there will be no revolution.

    1984,
    @1984@lemmy.today avatar

    The land of the fee.

    luckyhunter,

    “Rich men North of Richmond” intensifies!

    Kalkaline,

    Nah, fuck that enlightened centerist, both sides bullshit.

    luckyhunter,

    You obviously don’t understand the class struggle.

    Kalkaline,

    That guy doesn’t understand his own lyrics. He says he’s not a Republican and is upset that Republicans are using his song, but he’s using all their talking points.

    luckyhunter,

    He’s upset rich men profit off of keeping the working man down. Have you even listened to the song?

    ohlaph,

    I’m guessing no, or they don’t comprehend it.

    luckyhunter,

    10’s of millions of people love the song, it hit #1 overnight, and it’s a twangy country/bluegrass song so it must be a evil GOP anthem.

    Kalkaline,

    Bro, I listen to real country. This ain’t it. This is propaganda.

    Johnny Cash would have whooped this dude’s ass.

    luckyhunter,

    I think I’ll get my guidance on “real country” from any other community than this one. Have a link to a rodeo one?

    SCB,

    The song is not about “rich men” in general but about politicians in Washington DC. Those are, specifically, the “rich men north of Richmond” he is discussing.

    His claim is not that business owners pay too little, but that the government is taking too much, and giving it to welfare queens.

    You may want to consider reading the actual lyrics.

    luckyhunter, (edited )

    Yes that is one of the things he talks about, among many. funny enough he only mentions the word politician once when talking about miners and doesn’t call them rich men. almost as if he wrote the song that way on purpose. Which is why it’s so damn popular with people of all classes, colors, and political leanings.

    SCB, (edited )

    He mentions politicians every time the chorus comes around. That is what “rich men north of Richmond” means. That’s why he isn’t calling out wealthy people south of Richmond. DC is north of Richmond.

    I can’t tell you why the song is popular, but I can definitely parse the meaning of the lyrics, which you seem to be struggling with.

    These rich men north of Richmond

    Lord knows they all just wanna have total control

    Wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do

    And they don’t think you know, but I know that you do

    'Cause your dollar ain’t shit and it’s taxed to no end

    Cause of rich men north of Richmond

    This is explicitly about politicians. The entire song is.

    The only other lyrics with any content are

    Well, God, if you’re 5-foot-3 and you’re 300 pounds Taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds Young men are puttin’ themselves six feet in the ground ‘Cause all this damn country does is keep on kickin’ them down

    Lambasting “welfare queens” and taxes.

    Needless to say, this song isn’t popular with me, because I am capable of understanding both the lyrics and how taxes and welfare work within the context of the economy.

    At no point does he decry wealthy business owners or anything of the sort, which sort of takes away from your “any political leanings” argument. This is very explicitly one political leaning, and from a person who isn’t very knowledgeable.

    luckyhunter,

    As i said in my comment, he mentions politicians 1 time. You can’t think of any other rich cities north or Richmond? Because i can think of a couple. If you choose to read between the lines and interpret it in only a way that you don’t like, then that’s on you.

    SCB,

    Those rich cities aren’t taxing people.

    This is just basic understanding of verse man, not sure how else to help you. You are absolutely incorrect here.

    luckyhunter,

    Huh, I really need to move to those cities that don’t tax people!

    SCB,

    They aren’t taxing people where he lives. I suppose it was wrong of me to assume you’d understand that since these lyrics are challenging for you.

    luckyhunter,

    That’s the cool thing about music. The song isn’t just about him and where he lives. it can be about anyone, anywhere. Art is hard though, I know.

    SCB,

    Art can be interpreted, yes, but if I look at a picture of the Mona Lisa and think it is an excellent painting of a duck, I am incorrect.

    There is, in fact, a correct way to interpret poetry and verse. I should know, because I literally have a degree in it and used to teach high school English.

    The specifics of this song are not open to interpretation - it is a song about how the federal government gives “hard working men’s” tax dollars to “undeserving” people on welfare.

    By the same token, Taylor Swift’s “Cruel Summer” is not about global warming.

    It’s okay to be wrong and it is a sign of self-confidence and intelligence to accept when you are wrong.

    You can still enjoy the song if the actual meaning makes you feel good, or even if you just think it’s a banger. No one is trying to take that from you.

    luckyhunter,

    Agreed it is OK to be wrong. He does say after all “people like me, and people like you”. There’s the 1 line about politicians and the rest is about everyone.

    Sanctus,
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m tired, boss.

    AnotherPerson,
    @AnotherPerson@lemmy.world avatar

    I just want to know what type of emergency only costs $500 anymore?

    Tolookah,

    Uber to the hospital.

    Emergency pizza and ice cream?

    ohlaph,

    Exactly. A cheap car repair is that with labor. Add kore than one thing in a few months and most people start to really bleed.

    inclementimmigrant,

    A simple blown tire that renders you only reliable way to work that doesn’t pay enough to cover your basic living expenses is a catastrophic emergency that could cost around 500 bucks.

    southsamurai,
    @southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

    A part of a tree falling on your windshield.

    Seriously, that’s what it ended up costing me, and I did part of the body work needed to be able to fit a new windshield in right. If I hadn’t kept the tools around, that would have been another 500.

    Mind you, the 500 I did pay out included some other body work I just couldn’t physically do. The glass and installation of the glass was “only” 150 ish (can’t remember what the tax was).

    The one before that, that was barely under 500 was the AC unit for the house freezing up and fucking the compressor.

    And 500 is a single emergency. You get hit by multiple, and you’re fucked .

    SocialMediaRefugee,

    Had a tree limb fall during a storm and crush my wife’s car roof. That was an f.u. moment.

    Clown_Tempura,

    Nobody has any fucking money. You can’t afford medical, you can’t afford a house, you can barely afford a car. You can barely afford rent. Everything is more expensive. Food, gas, everything. Wages can’t keep up with inflation and employers could give a shit.

    CADmonkey,

    And yet nothing is being set on fire.

    ilickfrogs,
    @ilickfrogs@lemmy.world avatar

    Time for a good old fashioned French revolution.

    SocialMediaRefugee,

    That worked out so well…

    BertramDitore,
    @BertramDitore@lemmy.world avatar

    What the fuck is this? “How employers might help change that” Answer: they wont, they just might be forced to let employees give themselves a fee-free loan from their own retirement account, oh and here’s a slightly different new emergency savings account. It’s still all just your money…What the actual fuck?

    What about the half of US workers that don’t have a retirement account? I guess fuck them?

    Isn’t the answer simple? HIGHER WAGES.

    Man, this made me incredibly angry.

    lateraltwo,

    Higher wages or lower costs, but lower costs would kill the stock market

    mayo,

    And if you’re in a HCOL city the municipality is probably thriving off the property taxes.

    SCB,

    Property taxes actually need to be raised in most cities, especially for single-family homes.

    Everyone in the suburbs should pay a property tax premium for that benefit, for instance, to address the externalities of having suburbs.

    mayo,

    Maybe in the US but not in Canada.

    SCB,

    Canada also has spiking housing rates and thus would also benefit

    SCB,

    Paying higher wages doesn’t get people to start bank accounts, much less retirement accounts.

    Many people on the poorer end of the spectrum literally hide money in their walls/mattresses rather than get bank accounts - I know many of these people firsthand.

    dangblingus,

    A bank account isn’t going to magically make you richer.

    SCB,

    Not having one does make you poorer, but this is neither here nor there.

    My point is, someone hiding money in their mattress isn’t going to put much value in 401(k)s and likely does not have one.

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