Shani Louk is still alive, mother reveals

The mother of Shani Louk, a 22-year-old German national believed to have been kidnapped by Hamas fighters during the militant group’s surprise attack on Israel on Saturday, said on Tuesday that her daughter is alive.

Louk, a tattoo artist, was attending the Tribe of Nova music festival in the plains of the Negev Desert near Urim, close to the Gaza Strip, on Saturday when Hamas fighters stormed the event. She’s believed to have been seized by the militants and paraded through the streets in the back of a pick-up.

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On Tuesday, Louk’s family announced they had proof that Louk—who grew up in Israel—was alive. German news website Blick reported that her mother said she was in a hospital in Gaza with serious head injuries.

“We now have more information that Shani is alive,” her mother told television channel NTV, adding she received the information from unnamed Palestinian sources.

The mother added that Louk is seriously injured, and asked the German government for help and quick action.

TheLobotomist,
@TheLobotomist@lemmy.world avatar

She looked pretty dead to me…

cesium,

My guess is that she “dies” in the hospital in a few days. Horrible situation.

hassanmckusick,

What are the quotes for? Israel cut power to the hospital and she’s in critical care.

gohixo9650,

are you that naive by choice?

hassanmckusick,

No I was genuinely asking because the person I was responding to put the quotes around the wrong part of the sentence.

It should have been

my guess is that she dies “in the hospital”

Where they actually put quotes implies that they don’t think she’s gonna die at all

gohixo9650,

Where they actually put quotes implies that they don’t think she’s gonna die at all

if she is already dead, then yes, she cannot die (again) at the hospital. I understand what you mean and tbh I’m not sure if there is one correct way to express it. For me at least it was very much understandable how it was originally written.

The way I understand it, by quoting the “in the hospital” you imply that the place may be elsewhere but still be in the future, since you don’t put focus on the action itself (death) which (according to the author) is something that has already happened. By quoting the “dies” you acknowledge that she is in the hospital and you are not questioning the place. You just focus on the tense “dies”, since she is already dead.

hassanmckusick,

tbh I’m not sure if there is one correct way to express it.

Agreed. I still think the first example is confusing but no one want’s to hear us argue semantics. I appreciate the person I asked for coming back to clarify.

cesium,

As in, she was probably already dead at the time the video was filmed.

SCB,

He’s just trying to find ways to blame her death on Israel.

fluxion,

Beaten, bleeding, and unconscious looks pretty similar to being dead tbh

TheLobotomist,
@TheLobotomist@lemmy.world avatar

Did you see the video?

fluxion,

No, and I’ll have to take your word on it. But her mom saw it too and still seems to have hope.

TheLobotomist,
@TheLobotomist@lemmy.world avatar

Hope is the last to die especially for a mother but she had both of her legs broken (or her knees were dislocated) and she was lying motionless face down. She was also very emaciated.

I could obviously be wrong, so let’s hope for the best!

gohixo9650,

its her mother. Of course she still has hope. The parents keep hoping for their children are alive until the day they see them being buried in the ground. There are parents that are still hoping after 40 years of their child being missing if there is no body found.

However her mother has neither talked with her or even seen her in a video that for example is alive in an ICU if she can’t talk.

madejackson,

Swiss here, Blick is known for low quality news. This “news” is only a claim from some unknown party. Very likely inaccurate or even plain wrong.

gmtom,

Good.

zephyreks,

CNN was showing video coverage of the event where armed men (festival security? IDF?) were leading festivalgoers away at the start of the Hamas attack. There also appeared to be an armoured vehicle in the background.

I can’t find the long form of the video that was shown, but the short form does show a vehicle with the Merkava’s characteristic chain and ball design on the turret in the background. It’s on CNN’s YouTube page and I’ll send it to people by request, but it’s rather graphic so I’d rather not link it.

Lightsong,

Link please and thank you.

ichbinjasokreativ,

Link pls

Daddydolo,

Link pls

rullstolsbunden,

This is a big doubt. “Unnamed Palestinian sources” = Hamas propagandism.

We have all seen the video where Hamas proudly showcases her mangled lifeless body.

Wishful thinking from that poor mom who is being used to turn the narrative for Hamas when they realized Shani Louk was a german citizen.

1Transient,

The “body” looked like a doll.

SasquatchBanana,

Ever heard the term ragdoll?

hassanmckusick, (edited )

Ohh I can edit this?

Well… good call mod who removed that comment. In context it was distasteful

Neon,

The Ragdoll is a breed of cat with a distinct colorpoint coat and blue eyes. Its morphology is large and weighty, and it has a semi-long and silky soft coat. American breeder Ann Baker developed Ragdolls in the 1960s. They are best known for their docile, placid temperament and affectionate nature.

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    Neon,

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    hassanmckusick,

    we did it reddit!

    assassin_aragorn,

    I don’t know what would be worse. If they did that grotesque parade with her corpse, or with her alive but in critical condition.

    God. This is so unbelievably fucked up. I think I’d call it unrealistic, gratuitous violence if it happened in a fictional story.

    I really have no other words. I had a history teacher who said that there was nothing more dangerous than a zealot. He was all too right.

    hassanmckusick,

    I don’t know what would be worse. If they did that grotesque parade with her corpse, or with her alive but in critical condition.

    I’m curious how an unconscious girl ended up in the hospital after being “paraded around in critical condition”. Any chance that was just the worlds most beat down ambulance?

    assassin_aragorn,

    With the world’s worst EMTs to boot.

    Something in the story just doesn’t make sense.

    PopcornTin,

    Much like people mobbing Gucci stores because they are starving for some bread, people will rationalize anything.

    assassin_aragorn,

    I have no idea what the fuck you’re trying to say but it sounds like right wing bullshit.

    hassanmckusick,

    Good luck paying your landlord in bread

    Hackerman_uwu,

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    lud,

    What? That’s all everyone is talking about even before.

    ChunkMcHorkle, (edited )
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    Redex68,

    Fyi - the EU isn’t stopping aid for Palestine, it was a comment made by an official that cannot unilaterally decide on this and other EU states are against it.

    bdonvr,

    in a hospital in Gaza

    Somebody get her somewhere safe before Israel destroys that hospital

    khalic,

    Oh no, the valuable hostages go to the safe hospital that isn’t used as ammo depot or as missile launching site…

    TokenBoomer,

    Wait. So everyone saying she was raped and paraded around naked and dead were lying? I can’t believe Liberal media anymore.

    circuscritic, (edited )

    No one was just saying that, they were watching it. Watching her stripped down and contorted body being driven around as a trophy while Hamas and their followers spit on her in the back of that truck.

    TokenBoomer,

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    circuscritic,

    Impressive. You know actually less than nothing about the situation, and yet still felt the need to chime in with your negative two cents.

    Yes, her family first identified her through the leg tattoos that were showing on her stripped and abused body that was being driven around, nearly naked, by Hamas, as well as her dreadlocks, and the fact that she was at that festival.

    I normally never recommend people search out and watch those horrific videos, but maybe you should take a few minutes and do that. If you don’t delete your comment out of shame afterwards, I’ll assume that you’re either a sociopath who got off watching it, or to cowardly to actually look at you were so quick to publically cast doubt on.

    TokenBoomer, (edited )

    Were you there? I’m not being negative. I’m glad she’s still alive.

    Hackerman_uwu,

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    Cryophilia,

    Don’t feed the trolls

    TokenBoomer,

    You must be starving then?

    TokenBoomer,

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    KeenFlame,

    I mean western media is fucked, but you pick actual factual information to attack, instead of conveying this message, your intent flip completely into unhinged counterfactual conspiracy mode just fucking exactly everyone trying to get informed instead. But let me guess, you’re completely beyond reason

    TokenBoomer,

    Chalk up before doing backflips with your logic…

    I mean western media is fucked

    Should’ve stopped there.

    Daisyifyoudo,

    Over 1600 people were attacked, some murdered and this was your takeaway. Too many times over the past several months do I read something incredibly stupid, look at the username, and it’s you. Either you have no shame or youre retarded.

    1847953620,

    They’re highly regarded

    TokenBoomer,

    Thanks. I just use media literacy and question what I read.

    TokenBoomer,

    You hurt my feelings. Now I have to read more about the Nakba to see if you’re correct.

    Daisyifyoudo,

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    ChronosWing,

    No, because that actually happened. The video evidence is a Google search away.

    TokenBoomer,

    This what you’re trying to justify. I did the google search.

    ChronosWing,

    Since you can’t be bothered to google correctly, here you go.

    twitter.com/HighImpactFlix/status/…/mediaViewer?c…

    TokenBoomer,

    shakes head

    laylawashere44,

    So she is in a Gazan Hospital. The same Gazan hospitals that Israeli bombing has now overwhelmed and whose blockade is preventing humanitarian aid from entering. Hey maybe the UN was right in calling out that a total siege is illegal.

    Khalic,

    I wanted to say: not even israel would be stupid enough to let them die of thirst… but how much crazy shit happened these last 10 years? I don’t know, I hope not…

    prole,

    Are you kidding?! We’re about to see human suffering on a level not seen since WW2. Netanyahu loves that this happened, because now he can indiscriminately murder and displace Palestinians without as much blowback.

    gmtom,

    Nah Israel is exactly that crazy. They know they have the unconditional support of the west. They had the palestinians in an open air concentration camp for decades now and have committed countless war crimes against them and no one gave a shit. At this point they could unironically put arm bands on them and start shipping them off to gas chambers and the western sycophants would sing their praises still.

    qfjp,

    open air concentration camp

    Not necessarily totally relevant to your point, but I keep hearing this and… what exactly do people think concentration camps are? Giant tents? Repurposed community centers?

    I’m not sure I could point to one that wasn’t “open air”

    gmtom,

    Have you ever visited one of the Nazi concentration camps. Its essentially a prison, lots of barrack-ensue buildings surrounded by walls and guard towers and would have been “managed” by nazi troops.

    When people say open air, I beleive they mean that its not a purpose built facility. Just miles of city that’s closed off to the outside world.

    n0m4n,

    And when I hear of children being killed and some beheaded, I understand the hate and fear of the monstrosity that pushes this. The human shields of innocent civilians and hostages, put in place to protect military installations, demonstrates disregard of all humanity, wrapped in rabid zealotry. The reason that extreme military tactics such as crimes against humanity were put in place was also to leave a path to peace after hostilities end. Otherwise, we sink to genocide as the only solution. Zealots ignore this, eventually forcing both sides to adopt a kill them all mentality. Humanity loses.

    Aceticon,

    The current guy in power in Israel is a far-right nutter who wanted to subvert Democracy by removing the independence of the Judiciary.

    If this young woman is alive (and who knows, as she’s become a pawn in a propaganda war, so both sets of liars along with all the unthinking tribalist parrots are pushing opposing stories) and her death is useful for propaganda purposes, expect Bibi and his ideological accomplices to choose the options that result in making sure she’s dead if they think no blame will ever end at their door.

    qdJzXuisAndVQb2,

    The blockade is enforced by Israel and Egypt together, they share the blame for this war crime.

    laylawashere44,

    Nope. The raffa crossing into Egypt was open yesterday. In fact the IDF instructed people to leave via that crossing, then they bombed it today.

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    Jmdatcs,

    Am I missing something, or is it not possible to criticize the media’s obsession with attractive white girls without calling a person in a hospital after being beaten and probably gang raped stupid for no reason? You fucking piece of shit. See how I had a reason there?

    Saganastic,

    Things that are out of the ordinary make it into the headlines. This is a German citizen captured by Hamas during their invasion of Israel. Very out of the ordinary. No need to bring race into it.

    BreakDecks,

    Because she’s one of the few foreign nationals identified as a victim. Because what we have seen of how she was brutalized is being used as an example of what Hamas is doing to their victims. Because she’s a human being whose rights are being violated to an extreme degree.

    All you know about her is related to the crimes against her, and you’re already willing to publicly insult her? What the fuck did she do wrong?

    circuscritic, (edited )

    You’re missing a lot more than something. My guess is that it’s a pretty long list which includes, but not limited to: compassion, integrity, and a lot less functioning brain cells then even the average idiot.

    p03locke,
    @p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    While I’m glad some good news came out of this, can we maybe focus on the 1,600 other people that are missing or died during the Hamas attack? News media has this obsession over reporting on young white females in peril.

    BreakDecks,

    Wait until you see what demographic Hamas kidnapped the most of.

    Caligvla,
    @Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Reporting on brown, middle-eastern nationals? In a war in their own country? What is this woke bullshit?!

    prole,

    Israel is an occupying force in Palestine. It’s not “their own country,” just because they say it is and have the US military to back them up.

    SCB,

    Lots of Israelis are white.

    Zoldyck,

    With almost non-stop negative news the past few days, some positive news seems very welcome thb.

    deweydecibel,

    She’s in a hospital with severe head injuries. And as someone else pointed out, it’s a Gaza hospital, there’s no place in Gaza that’s safe right now from Israel’s response.

    This isn’t positive news, it’s slightly less bad news.

    roboticide,

    I feel like if Hamas knows what’s good for them, they’ll return any foreign nationals they have ASAP.

    Beef with Israel is one thing, but “accidentally” kidnapping people from foreign countries you ostensibly want sympathy for is a bad move.

    FfaerieOxide,
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    They might figure Israel killing foreign national hostages in raids is likewise "a bad move" and hope it stays their hand.

    Khalic,

    Hamas might start with, I don’t know, not using civilians as meat shields? The number of palestinian victims would drop rapidly. But they don’t give a shit about their own people, do they?

    bdonvr,

    The thing is Israel has a very high rate of dual-nationals. A significant percentage of Israeli settlers are second or even first generation. So they either had a previous citizenship or are eligible for their parent’s.

    gmtom,

    Probably not a good idea. Israel has 0 problem bombing palestinians indiscriminately but they might think twice about killing their foreign hostages.

    TransplantedSconie,

    I hope she is. The way her leg and arm looked in the video was disturbing to say the least.

    Cryophilia,

    The way her head looked was the disturbing part.

    theKalash, (edited )

    German news website Blick

    It’s a Swiss news website … blick.ch

    edit: they fixed it

    Swiss German-language news website Blick

    FfaerieOxide,
    FfaerieOxide avatar

    What language is it in?

    theKalash,

    German or French. Many news outlets cover multiple languages, so calling them by the language doesn’t make sense. Otherwise you could call every major German news outlet “English news”.

    ComputerSagtNein,
    @ComputerSagtNein@lemm.ee avatar

    Hope she’s really alive, but her life will never be the same after these horrible events :(

    Khalic,

    If you care about victims of rape, don’t spread that bs about “life being over” and other disheartening quotes that make them feel like a used up rag. If she survives, it’s cause for celebration, period.

    flowbot,

    Do you have a source for the claim she was raped?

    ichbinjasokreativ,

    Stripped almost naked in a crowd of armed men from a subculture that considers women of different religions to be worthless isn’t good enough for you?

    Eezyville,
    @Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Agreed. Don’t let their entire life be defined by this one event.

    Daisyifyoudo,

    Did you actually read what you were responding to, or just have kneejerk reaction?

    You’re not wrong, but the person you are responding to didn’t say any of those things.

    BreakDecks,

    Nobody said anything about her being raped, and never said anything about her life being over. She was present during a mass-killing, was brutalized in the process, and she is now being held captive by a terrorist group. Even if Hamas wasn’t raping their victims (which they absolutely are), living through this will, without a doubt, change the trajectory of a person’s life.

    KredeSeraf,

    It blows my mind that there are people who think mental recovery from things like this is a simple, easy process. Imagine all the horrors of war without any of the training and purpose of cause that allow you to cope just a bit and most still suffer from severe PTSD from that. She just got more trauma crammed into one week than many will see in their entire lives, with more to come and maybe more previously we don’t know about. Her life isn’t over, and it could eventually be fine. But it will be different.

    Squeak,

    What about ‘serious head injuries’? They can be pretty life changing and can end up in ‘life being over’ compared to normal…

    Khalic,

    There are many possibilities like this you’re right, she might be brain dead, etc. I was using a broad definition of “alive”, having autonomic functions and a fair amount of cognitive and physical fitness.

    GlitzyArmrest,
    @GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

    Thank you.

    Khalic,

    ❤️

    LilB0kChoy,

    I agree with the point you’re making.

    her life will never be the same after these horrible events

    I don’t think this is the equivalent of saying life is over. It’s saying that if Shani Louk is alive it’s good news while also acknowledging that there has still been significant grievous harm caused to this young woman.

    Her not being dead is not equivalent to no harm/no foul. Hamas still has responsibility for significant harm caused to Shani Louk.

    Khalic,

    It wasn’t trying to diminish the atrocity, sorry if it came out that way. This is humanity at its lowest. I’m just happy she might still survive.

    I just keep the aggressor out of my head when thinking about the victim, they don’t deserve the attention.

    I guess I’m a little triggered by this specific theme, thx for the feedback.

    LilB0kChoy,

    It wasn’t trying to diminish the atrocity, sorry if it came out that way.

    You did not, not to me at least.

    I just keep the aggressor out of my head when thinking about the victim, they don’t deserve the attention.

    That’s a great way to approach it. I was only speculating on the original commenter’s intent because that’s how I think about it too. I’ve had trauma in my past and it’s shaped who I am today; I reflect on it often. When I see stories of trauma for others I always have the thought about how their trauma is now going to shape their life going forward.

    I guess I’m a little triggered by this specific theme

    With good cause for sure! Harm and trauma don’t take away your agency or humanity, that happens by how others react to you after.

    Obsession,

    You’re the only one interpreting it like that.

    Some trauma stays with you for life. No one’s calling her a “used up rag,” the reality is that she may continue to suffer from what happened for the rest of her life.

    Khalic,

    Yeah i got that later, see other response. Tldr; personal trigger sorry

    Cryophilia,

    Maybe edit your initial comment too? Just a suggestion

    Khalic, (edited )

    Too many answers, gotta leave for context.

    Cryophilia,

    I think tt trauma of part of her head missing is more likely the concern here.

    Socsa,

    I’m more worried about the fact that she is very likely paralyzed to some degree and appears to have a hole in her head.

    qdJzXuisAndVQb2,

    Acknowledging is not perpetuating.

    GBU_28,

    Suggesting their life will never be the same is not equivalent to suggesting they are worthless. They didn’t say “life being over”

    Victims of rape will never be the same, as they will have a very traumatic event in their history. That event is of significance, not devaluation.

    hassanmckusick,

    Let’s slow the fuck up and wait for some facts to come out. An hour ago this girl was being touted as basically a martyr

    Sanctus,
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    So, facts came out. People were raped, killed, and/or captured.

    hassanmckusick,

    This was the girl everyone was saying was raped and murdered. No reputable news publication has confirmed that she was raped and she is now confirmed alive.

    So slow the fuck up.

    Armok_the_bunny,

    She’s not the only one that was there. There were other people there that were murdered and other people there that were raped. Just because one was spared from that fate doesn’t mean it didn’t happen to others.

    hassanmckusick, (edited )

    Again no reputable news publication has reported rape. It’s is a very common racist dog whistle to accuse Muslims of rape so I’m asking you not to until you have confirmed evidence.

    It is very possible there were rapes committed but it’s disgusting to lie about it to justify stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinian people.

    Edit: wild, 40 downvotes and NOT A SINGLE SOURCE.

    mrnotoriousman,

    How do you feel about the video of her being pulled out of the back of the truck with blood all over her crotch area?

    chowder, (edited )

    That was a different woman, but the video definitely proves they are raping hostages.

    hassanmckusick,

    I know that people were saying she was dead because of that footage. But she’s not and that is confirmed.

    Now can you please wait on the racist rape accusations until there is a single shred of evidence besides woman-at-scene-of-massacre-has-blood-on-her-in-photo?

    In the meantime you should think about the fact that Israel is cutting off power to that hospital.

    Neon, (edited )

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    Not sure why you assume I am supporting either side of this conflict, because I'm not.

    Now can you please wait on the racist rape accusations until there is a single shred of evidence besides woman-at-scene-of-massacre-has-blood-on-her-in-photo?

    Lol "racist." There's a lot of footage and documentation of them raping during the attack, it's not racist to see a video of a woman with blood all over her crotch area and make the connection that they raped her along with all the other civilians they raped.

    In the meantime you should think about why you are defending rape, beheading of children, and massacre of innocent civilians.

    hassanmckusick,

    It’s been hours and no one has posted proof.

    It is racist to insist Muslims are rapists without evidence

    Daisyifyoudo,

    It’s racist? Muslims/Islam isn’t a race…

    hassanmckusick,

    I dont care to but 3 seconds of googling can answer this for you

    Yes Islamophobia can be (and usually is) racist

    Daisyifyoudo,

    You can be any race and be muslim. You’re using the wrong terminology.

    hassanmckusick,

    I’m not interested in discussing this. It’s a settled topic

    amp.theguardian.com/…/islamophobia-racism-definit…

    Daisyifyoudo,

    You’re 100% wrong. Link whatever you want, you’re wrong. Islamaphobia is certainly a thing, people hate all types of GROUPS, but muslims aren’t a RACE

    hassanmckusick,

    Factually wrong and blocked. Learn to read

    Daisyifyoudo,

    Oh not just wrong but factually wrong lol

    hydro033,

    Someone has some biases

    hassanmckusick,

    It’s biased to ask for evidence?

    1847953620,

    It’s biased to demand evidence when there’s enough evidence out there already, and to be so sensitive to a single commonality you have with them (culture) that it clouds objectivity.

    Hamas and IDF have both long documented histories of war crimes, why is it hard to believe the most aggressive attack in recent times would have those components?

    The standard of proof you’re requesting is what betrays your bias. Nobody so far has wanted to waste their time googling things for you because they know it’s likely gonna be an exercise in self-inflicted torture to try to change your mind when a bias is this prominent.

    hydro033,

    lmao this is an amazing response

    hassanmckusick,

    THe StANdARD of pROoF yOU’re rEqUEStIng is Too HiGh.

    All I’m asking for is that someone who isn’t a spokesperson of the Israeli state to talk to a single victim and confirm.

    1847953620,

    “isn’t a spokesperson of the Israeli state”

    I guess media doesn’t count. This is the canal through which your bs will continue. Have fun being irrelevant.

    hassanmckusick,

    I don’t care about your opinion unless you post some evidence contradicting me. I’m just asking for a single media source. Any third party who has verified this.

    Just one.

    1

    Uno

    واحد

    אחד

    One source or don’t even bother responding to me.

    Peaty,

    There are videos of woman captives with bloody crotches. It doesn’t take a doctorate in medicine to figure out the rapists were raping people.

    hassanmckusick,

    Ohh wow you saw a video online that you have no way to verify the veracity of? Well case closed then Sherlock 🙄

    Peaty,

    Are you suggesting someone made a fake video featuring someone who looked like the woman in the article? Are you a clown by trade or just on lemmy?

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Mass_sexual_assault_in_Egypt

    hassanmckusick,

    Didn’t even take 5 minutes for someone to shift the goalposts. Fuck off

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    How did that shift the goalposts? You said it was a racist dog whistle. It appears to be very true in Egypt.

    hassanmckusick,

    Now you’re just straight up being racist

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Wouldn’t Wikipedia be the racist one here?

    hassanmckusick,

    Wikipedia is just stating the facts. You’re the one weaponizing it to insist Muslims are rapists.

    I’m not engaging with you anymore. I have nothing to gain from engaging with an open racist

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t remember insisting Muslims were rapists. That sounds like a lie. Unless you can quote me that is.

    li10,

    Is it being racist, or just assuming that terrorists are bad?

    Because, and I’m sorry if this is controversial, but terrorists are bad.

    hassanmckusick,

    Israel is doing settler terrorism but I don’t see anyone accusing them of rape. So the distinction you’re making is about them being Muslim

    Peaty,

    No the distinction is there is evidence that suggested these Hamas soldier raped people.

    hassanmckusick,

    Then post it! It’s been 5 hours. What are you waiting for?

    Give me one reputable news publication that claims to have confirmed this from a victim and not just heard about it second hand

    Peaty,

    Im not posting the video here as it breaks community rules. It is easy to find and it clearly looks like her.

    You might have to wake the fuck up and accept that some of the soldiers in Hamas are terrible people capable of terrible things.

    hassanmckusick,

    It is easy to find and it clearly looks like her.

    For like the 5th time that isn’t “evidence” of her being dead and raped. But you know that. You’re being dishonest. Blocked

    li10,

    If white supremacists launched an attack and kidnapped people, then I wouldn’t be calling racism over rape accusations.

    These people are animals because of their actions, not their skin colour.

    hassanmckusick,

    Animals? Hmmmm the whistle is getting louder

    li10,

    Yep, animals.

    Same as those behind the Tulsa race massacre.

    If you’re only hearing “whistles” then you need to get your hearing checked so you can actually listen to the conversation.

    hassanmckusick,

    Oh no I dealt with enough anti-Muslim racism after 9/11. You can get blocked ✌️

    MedicatedMaybe, (edited )

    You are being way too sensitive to the fact that they’re Muslim and not the fact that they’re terrorists. People are upset that the terrorist killed and raped people.

    Yoskovich managed to survive, but a report from Alerta News 24 contains allegations that some women were raped in the rave area of the festival, next to the corpses of their friends.

    These are the articles that people are referencing about the rape allegations. This seems to be coming from somebody who was at the festival and survived. Were you at the festival and survived and have a different first-hand take?

    hassanmckusick,

    I already pointed out that Israel is doing terrorism too. But no one is accusing Israel of mass unconfirmed rapes.

    “Muslims are rapists” is a racist dog whistle.

    I’m not “sensitive”, I’ve heard this garbage before.

    I am not denying that Hamas has ever committed rape.

    But until there is any kind of reliable 3rd hand reporting people should not just assume it happened.

    No, playing the telephone game is not evidence, it’s literally propaganda.

    MedicatedMaybe,

    I didn’t see anyone in the above comments saying Muslims are rapist. Obviously deeming an entire group of people to be rapist is not only wrong but blatantly racist. As far as I was reading people were just talking about the reports coming out from the festival attack.

    I believe people were talking about the reports coming out from first hand accounts of survivors. If you want to dispute those claims that’s fine but you shouldn’t go around calling everybody racist because they are discussing the news that they read. I would try to just warn people to be careful of what they are reading because there is going to be a lot of misinformation and fog of war going on.

    I get getting angry though I’m sure you have had to deal with some nasty people and comments all your life and that just isn’t right. This is a really touchy and controversial topic and it’s easy for conversations to turn into yelling.

    hassanmckusick,

    I believe people were talking about the reports coming out from first hand accounts of survivors.

    “First hand reports” that are only being reported by Israeli state media.

    I didn’t see anyone in the above comments saying Muslims are rapist.

    Yeah no one is gonna come out and say it like that. I’m telling people to check themselves and many people are showing themselves to be acting in bad faith. If that’s not you then congrats I’m not calling you racist.

    If you want to dispute those claims that’s fine but you shouldn’t go around calling everybody racist because they are discussing the news that they read.

    Yeah please don’t misrepresent me. I’m not calling people racist for discussing what they read. I’m very happy to have a conversation about it, however the conversation starts and ends with “there is no evidence of this being reported by any reliable 3rd party”

    I get getting angry though I’m sure you have had to deal with some nasty people and comments all your life and that just isn’t right. This is a really touchy and controversial topic and it’s easy for conversations to turn into yelling.

    I’m not angry but I’m also not gonna sit here and give anyone the benefit of the doubt more than once. Notice how I’m not calling you racist? That’s cuz you’re not saying anything racist.

    PS: I am also not claiming everyone I’ve blocked today has been racist. There was def one person I didn’t even give the chance before I blocked them. Some I block for low quality/dishonesty

    chaogomu,

    Actually...

    The IDF does have a rape problem.

    Soldiers who rape Palestinian civilians are theoretically punished, but enforcement can be hit or miss.

    Socsa,

    You are very clearly not following the news then.

    Neon, (edited )

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    Redex68,

    Damn that really is surprising. I’m glad that she’s alive. Hope that she can return home safe.

    Travalanche,

    Was it not her in the truck then? I thought the family had positively identified her by her tattoos.Though, you really can’t see much of them in the video that went viral.

    VentraSqwal,

    Either she was just unconscious or they are lying. But it seems pointless for the latter since they’d find out eventually, unless they plan on blaming her death on one of the bombs that are being dropped in Gaza. I guess we’ll see if the family gets her back.

    jcit878,

    But it seems pointless for the latter since they’d find out eventually,

    well its been shown pretty clearly these baby decapitators arent exactly the sharpest tools in the shed. They were on an adrenaline high after their little murder spree and felt they were on top of the world. The next day or so and reality set in and maybe they realised they not only signed their own death warrants, but that of thousands of their ‘people’ and set their cause back decades. Now they are scambling like the cowards they are to try and ‘fix’ what is unfixable

    Bigmouse,

    Can you tell me why you put ‘people’ in quotation marks? It was surely not your intention but the implication is a pretty harsh dehumanization.

    SCB,

    Hamas are not considered the Palestinian people at large, do not represent them, do not provide or care for them, and do not allow elections. Until this year, they have never had majority support.

    Calling Palestinians the people of the Hamas government is a huge misnomer.

    Bigmouse,

    Might i suggest putting the quotation mark around ‘their’ then? That would actually express what you meant.

    SCB,

    I didn’t write the initial post, but yes I agree that would’ve been a better word to focus on

    ChairmanMeow,
    @ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

    The IDF disspelled rumours that they found “decapitated babies” apparently. Seems that was just Twitter disinformation.

    VentraSqwal,

    Do you have a source for that? I haven’t heard that.

    ChairmanMeow,
    @ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

    news.sky.com/…/its-important-to-separate-the-fact…

    The claim there were beheaded babies is coming from a single journalist, and the IDF has publicly refused to back up her statement.

    Guildo,

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    li10,

    Such an unnecessary assumption to make from a small snippet of text.

    Guildo,

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    Khalic,

    For you, her family and herself will be happy she’s alive…

    Guildo,

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    davysnavy,

    Yeah that’d probably be good because you sound very dumb

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