If Ukraine enters peace talks now, have they gained anything or put their country in a better position since the original peace talks, which were sabotaged by Boris Johnson and British intelligence, over a year ago? Have they gained any significant territory since what was proposed then? Is their army in a stronger position? Are any gains since then worth the losses?
Just looking at it from a purely pragmatic and realpolitik perspective, I don’t see how anyone can argue that Ukraine has gained anything significant in this stalemate of a conflict. If they get similar results now, as what was on the table originally at the first peace talks, it means that their Western backers essentially sold a pipe dream to Ukraine that never materialised. Is the collective West ready to explain that to Ukraine, and the rest of the world? That they used Ukraine as a testbed for their weaponry against Russia, sold Ukraine a utopian fantasy that they’d be able to regain significant territory using Western weapons and tactics which never happened, and hundreds of tens to hundreds of thousands of people got killed or injured to accomplish very little.
looks like they got back a bit east of Kharkiv & to the north bank of the Dneipr—long before this last big ‘offensive’ tho. Russia might’ve given that pittance of territory up in a peace deal ooth.
They managed to partially capture a handful of villages in the security zone after three months. They are nowhere close to Crimea. The offensive had been a complete disaster and Russia has so far gained more territory in the north than Ukraine has in the south.
To provide context, we had a large number of videos coming out early in the war showing civilians taking up arms and otherwise impeding the invasion. They aren’t legal combatants by international law, but they’re not exactly civilians that got caught in the crossfire: they put themselves there.
Agreed. Hexbear and lemmygrad idiots are pretending to be all for peace and yet support the war mongers in russia.
These instances are a magnet for dishonesty and propaganda. Plus they have a 4chan attitude towards discussions, i.e. they keep shifting goalposts if you press them and throw absurd statements at you while doing so. There is nothing redeeming of those places.
There’s a lot of silly and disingeneous people on this app, I have to take their written word at face value. You seem to think ad hominem attacks are worth detracting from the article published in The Hill, a news source that would normally fit your ideology. So even when your own trusted media is reporting that Ukraine’s a geopolitical and moral mess, instead you’re claiming it’s a group of people spreading propaganda. I think you don’t care about Ukranians you just want to be right.
They didn't even read the article either clearly lol
One Baltic official, requesting anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic, told The Hill that Baltic states are concerned that pushing Ukraine into negotiations will have dangerous ripple effects throughout the region.
I know this is hard to understand for a Russian bot, but Ukraine is a sovereign nation.
They will start peace talks if and when they want to.
Negotiations will not be between Washington and Moscow, and even if talks like this would take place (e.g. under a new Trump administration), Ukraine is free to ignore them.
The only thing the west gets to decide is whether they keep sending weapons and how many.
I know it’s hard for a NAFO bot to understand, but Ukraine lost its sovereignty when US overthrew the democratically elected government in a violent coup.
Yes Ukraine is free to ignore them. The western coalition funding Ukraine’s war effort is also free to stop doing so. I’m not saying this to express that I wish Ukraine to be pressured to settle, but instead to highlight that Ukraine is not a self-reliant actor in this conflict.
Russia has its own military industrial complex that it inherited from USSR that currently outproduces all of NATO, and Russian economy is currently growing according to the IMF. If you can’t understand the difference between that and Ukraine then what else is there to say.
Russian MIC innovations (from the USSR days) was largely driven by Ukrainians, but that’s neither here nor there.
What Russia has are deep stores. They cannot produce new aircraft without importing parts from the west. Not fixed or rotary. They are ramping up production of missiles, but so is Ukraine.
Russia cannot even produce ball bearings. They aren’t producing new APCs, BMPs or MBTs. They are importing ammo from North Korea ffs. And seeing how badly their equipment has performed, I expect to see their weapons exports collapse. Their vaunted “Armata” turned out to completely suck.
As for the economy, it is being artificially propped up by depleting foreign reserves. They are currently over-borrowing yuan to attempt to correct. And you really have to be a complete idiot to believe any official Russian data.
Russia is holding on for dear life in the hope that Trump wins the elections.
No, the truth is well documented in western media once you learn to read past the spin. Everything I said is openly admitted by mainstream western publications.
Russia has failed every single expectation. It is so bad, Ukraine sent an official thank you letter to Russia’s Defense Minister Shoigu for being so corrupt and incompetent that it allowed Ukraine to defend itself.
That’s obviously what you’ve convinced yourself of and I doubt there’s anything that will change your mind until Ukraine ceases to exist as a country. Thanks to gullible westerners such as yourself countless thousands will die and millions will have their lives ruined in the process. One day you’ll have to live with supporting continuation of this atrocity.
What I hear from you is “Ukrainians must submit to the will of Putin or die”. As if they are children who don’t get to decide for themselves.
Just like you see the Buryats, Dagestanis, Chechens, Tatars, and hundreds other peoples’ crushed under Russians’ bloodstained boots.
No fucking wonder every single nation occupied by Russia in the past centuries who managed to gain their freedom hates Russia’s fucking guts.
YOU tankie morons won’t change your mind until Russia ceases to exist, which, if Russia continues this stupid war, might come sooner than you think. Prigozhin wasn’t the only opposition to Putin in the state.
Imagine thinking your leaders aren’t doing the same. When this war ends hopefully you’ll have the decency to do some retrospection and ask yourself how you ended up believing utter nonsense. I doubt it though, when the west gets involved in the next war, people like you are going to be cheering it on once again having learned absolutely nothing.
I don’t believe shit from any government. I will on the other hand be informed by history and diverse news orgs that aren’t dictated to by the mafia like RT
And your not answering any of my points lol. All i’m getting from you is “imagine thinking Ukrainians shouldn’t be Russian slaves! What an idiot!!”
You haven’t made any points, and you’ve made it abundantly clear that discussion with you is pointless. You’ll see what actually happens soon enough, but enjoy being an insufferable piece of shit until then.
“It’s totally natural to invade a country, rape and torture its people, kidnap the children, destroy everything we can’t have”? Get fucked.
You’re shilling for a pile of immoral, barbaric thieves. While 25% of Russian citizens (mostly ethnic minorities of course) shit in a hole in the ground for lack of plumbing, Putin and his Mafia collect yachts and private jets. And you can’t criticize, protest or complain or he’ll have you killed.
Fuck Russia. Even my Russian friends agree - fuck Russia. I have both Ukranian and Russian colleagues, and they are friends because - get this - the Russians don’t think the Ukranians should submit or die.
Hell, the Russian guys think Russia as it is is a shithole of epic shitness, and will never go back. Like 300,000 other expats since this war started, plus the 200,000 or so dead in Ukraine because Putin has a small penis or whatever.
Fuck. Russia. There is a reason every single ex USSR country that could, joined NATO as soon as they could. You are the idiot who can’t see what’s right in front of your face. Every ex “partner” wants nothing to do with that shithole. Even Belorus wanted out, it took the Russian army invading to force the Belorussians into slavery after Lukashenko lost his election and cheated, and plenty of them are now in Ukraine fighting Russia for their own freedom. Even Armenia now understands that Russia isn’t a partner for shit.
You still think Russia is winning, you are that dense. “Kyiv in a week” has turned into ever-shrinking occupied territory and continued barbaric torture and bombing of civilians and now grain export infrastructure, because that’s all Russia can do. The “2nd army in the world” lost 50% of its Airforce and Armour in a year (including several strategic bombers) plus its naval flagship, and a bunch of generals and senior colonels, and seen a mutiny which killed a bunch of pilots among others, against a military with barely an air force no Navy, and with one hand tied behind its back. Russia is getting fucked worse than in Afghanistan, and it will only get worse.
Tankies are hilarious. They think all these ex-soviet states have love for Russia.
They say that Putin was forced into this conflict by NATO/US shenanigans. So if we take that at face value it means that Putin fell for one the oldest political exploits in the world. Grand master strategist right there.
This is an economic war with the west, so yeah obviously what matters is whether Russian economy is doing better or worse than western economies. Screeching whataboutism when faced with that really highlights the quality of your intellect.
Russia has done horrible things to the Ukrainian people for a good century now. I hope the Ukraine doesn't get pressured into giving its land and people over to Putin. Any deal needs to give Ukraine all its territory back, and for Russia to keep its military off their border.
What has Ukraine allowed to have happen to it’s ethnic Russian population comprising a significant portion of the east of Ukraine done during it’s time? You speak like a US state department underling. Whose office are you in exactly?
I'm pretty left leaning, and I'm against any fascist state trying to turn its neighbors into vassal states for its interest. And yes, that means being against a lot of what the US does as well.
If it's a proxy war, that means that Russia attacked Ukraine to get back at the US, not the other way around. This means it's on Russia to stop the war, by giving back an innocent country's land that they stole.
Try studying history and us involvement in the region. Instead gas lighting people like they don’t know why Russia invaded part of the country. What has the US and NATO done prior to 2014 to create stability and peace in the region. Jack shit, the opposite, and there were plenty of opportunities. Ukraine isn’t going to get its land back period.
What has Ukraine Czechoslovakia allowed to have happen [sic] to it’s [sic] ethnic Russian German population comprising a decent portion of the east of Ukraine [sic] West of Czechoslovakia done during it’s [sic] time?
The settlement of the Czechoslovakian problem, which has now been achieved is, in my view, only the prelude to a larger settlement in which all Europe may find peace.
Neville Chamberlain, British Prime Minister, September 30th, 1938.
More context:
The Munich Agreement[a] was an agreement concluded at Munich on 30 September 1938, by Nazi Germany, the United Kingdom, the French Republic, and Fascist Italy. The agreement provided for the German annexation of part of Czechoslovakia called the Sudetenland, where more than three million people, mainly ethnic Germans, lived.
The hill is a pretty conservative outlet but this is a disturbing headline for sure. The only way to end the war is with peace talks, there is no other option. The better Ukraine does on the ground the better they will do in the negotiations.
The fear is that there is pressure for peace talk conditions to be less than fair to Ukraine, that this would be little more than appeasement of Russia, like what happened with Czechoslovakia in the 1930s
Ukraine was in a far better position when US and UK sabotaged peace talks last March, and Ukrainian position continues to deteriorate. So what exactly do you think delaying negotiations more is going to accomplish?
Mother Russia is near death at this point. The world has seen that the Russian army can’t even invade small parts of a country that is a fraction if its own size. Corruption in your army os so rampant that your vehicles have been falling apart by themselves.
Mother Russia is the laughing stock of the world, at this point and due to the genocide being perpetrated, it’s also hated and a black sheep for decades to come.
Russia won’t be able to get high tech equipment anymore dor anything.
Your mothers lost their sons because all the smart and rich ones fled the country. Phuket has a nice “alternative invasion” of young Russian men that fled your country and its a single example. Young men that now are removed from your economy and that is on too of the thousands of dead of your shitty laughingly called “smo”
Rich countries no longer want to trade with Russia so your mother is limited to the few countries left that will squeeze her balls because they know they can.
Be careful mother Russia, china has seen how disgustingly weak you are and might help a few other areas in Russia to revolt and become independent Chinese pawns.
Mother Russia is fucked, and if you don’t know that then you’re even more pathetic than I thought.
“SMO” really shows where you get your info from. You support a dictator / maffia boss, you support genocide, and you are on the losing side.
Your shit army couldn’t even invade a country properly because of all the corruption going on and now you’re being kicked out.
Russia is the laughing stock and black sheep of the world and it will take decades to rid itself of that mark. Your smart and strong men flew the country because fuck that, they’re not dying for Putin’s bullshit. The only few counties left willing to trade with you are squeezing your balls because they know they can. Russia hasn’t been this week since it’s founding, and you better start worrying about olgout other borders and your internal affairs. Russia is what it is because it suppressed millions. Now that it’s falling appart, those suppressed will stand up, and china, I’m sure, would love to annex a piece of Russia.
I’m guessing they fear that like in 2014, they will have to concede land to Russia, which is what they did NOT want to do. It’s not the fear talks they fear, it’s the result.
Wow, that is some bad title. I would say concerns are justified if Russia can just keep annexing chunks from other countries. It started with Georgia and Ukraine and we can see the same events happening in Moldova currently.
Also if Russia were to share a proper border with Poland then that’s pretty much guaranteed WW3, Poland hates Russia with a passion.
…I’m sure Ukraine would gladly put down their arms and watch Russia fight eastern European countries instead, if they really want to make this their fight instead of Ukraine’s.
Pull your nose put of Putin’s ass. Putin doesn’t want peace, he wanted to steal juuuust a little bit more and at this point he just hopes not to be assassinated by his cronies for fucking everything up
You probably love the ass eating fetish too much I guess. Go back to the Warsaw Pact and tell me who broke it in 90s for “western expansion”, or why did US ex-VP Dick Cheney said their goal is to balkanise Russia, or why there were biochemical factories in Ukraine near shared Russian border.
Claimed countless times by deez nuts. You have no official source from Russian government as proof. You rely on the Big Lie aka “what has been claimed countless times” by West. Do you have a brain to think for yourself, and check if something is even true, regardless of how much it is repeated ad nauseam?
Let some fresh air in your head, headass. And think by yourself for once.
You are such a big headass clown, you do not even read what you send. Your claim was Russian authorities officially said the SMO against Ukraine will last three days. And you have nowhere to prove, from official sources, about the stipulated timeframe of three days. You have failed to prove your claim, and proved that you are a true microcosm of Western society and its intelligence levels.
Go home little boy, party’s over. And learn some humility before you get bigger Ls in life.
You have not yet proved your claim about Russia officially ever announcing or stating the SMO will last atmost 3 days. Do better, troll. I am waiting. No western troll in the past year has ever given me proof whenever I question them.
Russia won long ago. And Russia never loses. Mother Russia is strong.
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