That says civility not bigotry. Bigotry applies to people who haven't done anything wrong other than being born 'different' from the bigot not people who've spent their life in the public eye grifting and doing one wrong thing after another.
Pat Robertson is currently shaking hands with Hitler in hell, and it's not prejudiced or uncivilized or bigoted to say so. He spent his whole life stirring up hatred, division, and lies -- well documented, over decades -- and nobody with an ounce of conscience would disagree.
You keep saying that you're politically neutral yet keep shoehorning in comments about "leftists" and "leftists say XYZ..". You're quite obviously not being politically unbiased here. Why do you care if people say "good riddance" about a public figure who has done countless deplorable things in his life under the cloak of 'christianity'?
Asking someone not to pass judgement on Christian Facists who worked their entire lives to eliminate aspects of society that don't fit with their narror world view need to look inward and ask themselves why does this mode of thinking appeal to me in the first place.
I am not so sure that its unhealthy. the man was a bigot hiding behind religion - something that countless bigots have done for thousands of years. a little shadenfreude can be quite healthy.
This ghoul did nothing but cause pain his whole life. We don't owe him anything. Your attitude actively cuts paths for bigots. It is much more shameful to say nothing or act like he wasn't evil.
He spent his life making it as difficult as possible to be LGBT in this country. He repeatedly spat hatred and vile remarks towards me and my community. I have no remorse in reveling in his passing.
Now how far you do think I have to dig into a person’s everyday life to find something they’re equally guilty of, in that capacity?
The fact that you know you'd have to dig should illustrate an important difference to you, but also just a hilarious assumption that everyone is as wildly hypocritical as Pat Robinson.
I got that you think being an average consumer is morally equivalent to being a televangelist that blamed 9/11 on gay people. What other funny comparisons like that can you make?
So besides owning any electronic device what are some other examples of common moral failings that you think equate to Robinson's hateful career? Driving a car?
@stanleytweedle Fair point. Why would anyone want to back up claims they make? Just saying things and refusing to demonstrate how or why you're right is normal. Proof that you're right, even.
The demonstration of self-righteousness was preaching to strangers about how they should feel about a dead person. If you genuinely don't understand how that is self-righteous, well... that makes this even more fun somehow.
If binary thinking is all you're capable of I'd say you should err on the side of caution and just never tell anyone what to do. It's more complex than that but clearly this is your limit.
@stanleytweedle It's strange that you don't even know your own opinion about what makes something self-righteous or not.
It's clear you think telling someone not to celebrate death is self-righteous, and its your right to hold to that opinion. The weird part is not knowing why you think it's self-righteous.
Of course, you do say you know why it's self-righteous, but that's pretty much the only explanation you know of, apparently 😂
Like, is it because it's telling people what to do? You don't know!
I know you won't understand any of this but I'm bored.
You actually can tell people not to celebrate death, for instance if it's your family member- you're within your rights to be upset because you have a relationship with that person. So if you think Pat Robinson was a good dude, it's actually not as self-righteous to say "Stop that, he was a good guy!". That would be silly for other reasons though.
But if you don't have a dog in the fight, it's pretty self-righteous and morally superior to just rant that strangers can't be glad someone that caused them pain is dead. Not everyone shares the vacuous sentiment that the dead should be uncritically revered and expecting them to is as silly as them expecting you to celebrate with them, but I haven't seen anyone asking for that.
As far as telling people not to murder... yeah- actions and words are inherently distinct. Hilariously weak point but I do like the energy.
@stanleytweedle Okay. So it's not that he was telling people what to do, but rather that it's okay to celebrate somebody's death if they were a bad person who's unrelated to you, is that your position? And how does that line up with self-righteousness? As far as I know, self-righteousness refers to thinking you're morally superior to other people, but the logical conclusion of your argument here would be that he was just wrong, not self righteous specifically.
I think you should just stick to the idea that self-righteousness means 'telling people what to do'. That seems to be as far as you can go with this. Do another 'cognitive dissonance test' on me- that was funny.
I did the cognitive dissonance test but you failed already.
"Self-righteousness is telling people what to do, that's why I told that person what to do"
"Is it wrong to tell people what to do if it's murder tho?"
"No, of course not!"
The only way to get out of this logical quandary would be to claim that self-righteousness is bad, but that would have defeated your grounds for criticism in the first place.
Being happy is one thing, but hating on a dead person is something else. Also It's one thing to say "I'm glad his negativity isn't around" versus cussing him out and saying cynical negative things. There's a balance here.
This is my opinion and my experience that hating on the dead isn't a good feeling for the one saying it and others reading it. These people claim to be morally better? Come on
It's disgusting that you would draw a direct equivalence between the hatred, suffering, and trauma caused by this man, and the expression of natural human emotions that harm no one. Any difference between, "I'm glad his negativity isn't around" and any other expression of joy exists only in your head.
"automatically make you a better human being" according to you.
Clearly, the way you type and lack of decorum, reason, patience or moral character make your judgements unreliable. In fact, someone who behaves so despicably like yourself, that hates me is a compliment. If you have such reprehensible attributes that means I have the opposite, Hamdou'Allah
My, you sure showed me. By totally ignoring the content of my criticisms, you have completely disproved them! Amazing. Truly I have been "checkmated" by an intellectual giant.
The only thing your comment served was your own emotional needs. It did not communicate a single useful thought. You could have said, "I know you are but what am I," and it would have had the same meaning and gravitas.
You say you're not politically prejudiced but then why do you keep injecting your politics into the discussion and complaining that people aren't saying things you agree with, including the implication that users and mods are consipiring against you and your beliefs by allowing people to speak negatively of Robertson? Your actions and your words are at odds with one another.
You think people hate him for his political views but that's just pure speculation on your part. Not everything revolves around US politics regardless of people's desire to politicize everything so they can dig their heels in and create an "us versus them" narrative.
Liberals and leftists alike thought that was below the belt, and an immoral thing to voice. And now that the target his shifted, people get morally funny in the head and pretend not to see the irony?
Were any of the people making those comments here today making these comments? You only think it's ironic because you seem to believe that everyone who doesn't align with your specific brand of politics thinks and acts the same way rather than being individuals with their own individual beliefs.
You are standing on a moving train insisting on staying put. There is no center ground here. Just normal people and bigots. LGBT people reading your comments know which side you are on.
His comments have been removed, and it just says https://www.themotte.org/ which I checked out by the way and I couldn't hear anything for all the Dog Whistling going on.
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