This needs to be said. USA needs to be done towards the same things that USA did to Japan in 1945. It needs to happen once, and they will never dare to step a military foot outside their borders ever again.
Do you actually think America wouldn’t go absolutely ape trying to find who nuked them? Do you not remember 911 when the whole country collectively lost it’s mind?
You realise the whole world has well prepared nuclear armed countries at this point, unlike back then? USA always tends to calculate optimally the most amount of enemy damage while taking the least amount. If USA attempts to attack others, they will get wiped off earth very easily without a speck of dust remaining. Even North Korea would be enough theoretically.
The thing is, the non-Anglo world is tired of NATO terrorism/colonialism going on for centuries, and will probably explode at some point in the very near future. And the alternative hegemony and systems are pretty much in place with BRICS+ being much more powerful than G7/NATO powers, demonstrably with all the NATO weaponry failures in Ukraine.
The nuclear attack on Japan wasn’t intended to defeat them - they were already essentially defeated, just trying to find a more favorable way to lose. The nuclear attack’s purpose was to intimidate the USSR, as a power flex. The reason nuclear weapons are a deterrent isn’t because a couple of nukes hitting your country is a problem - that’s just a minor inconvenience when it comes to war. The reason nuclear weapons are a deterrent is because the countries that do have them have a lot of them, and can destroy not just a couple important cities, but cover your entire country in radioactive waste.
Not only will your “plan” not achieve its goal, but it will also hurt hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of civilians. I know it’s popular to associate a people with a government, and that’s not completely baseless, but - and I can’t believe I have to say this - that’s absolutely no reason to launch a nuclear attack. That’s just genocidal nonsense. There’s a reason countries at war don’t kill civilians, and it’s not “good will”.
So do you think the nukes did not kill people in Japan, or set them back a few decades? The purpose of such a neutraliser should be to stop USA from ever doing what they keep doing overseas – genocide and economic/psychological enslavement.
Yemen has already won, the US has been fighting it since 2004, all that’s left is for the US to understand it lost. Though I predict its crazy politicians will keep repeating their mistakes expecting a different outcome.
American soldiers definitely lose. Civilians definitely lose. Americans and their military industrial complex have definitely been treating the middle East as a training ground for 2+ decades.
And is that working? It sounds like their old plan is still running.
The Houthis are not new at this. They have been the target of literally thousands of airstrikes by Saudi Arabia, but have continued to operate.
The US is not new at this either. It has decades of experience loosing to much less technically capable forces fighting on their home turf. If history is anything to go by, this is simply not a fight the US military (or any modern military for that matter) is capable of winning.
They’ve apparently been gaining ground since the coup but I don’t think that’s the case as of the past couple of weeks. Either way anything they’ve won has been through violence and intimidation and not the consent of the people. The people voted and rejected Houthis bullshit twice, elections in which many Houthis refused to participate.
What ever happened to talking and reaching an agreement and asking for favors and scratching each other back… like now we resort to uncivilized behavior by attacking the poorest countries.
“Hey, do you want you and your families to stop suffering from a lack of food, clean water, healthcare, and housing? We can fix that.”
Might be a start. But it’s never approached that way.
People don’t usually want to be terrorists. The places these people come from are the poorest on earth and don’t know anything other than suffering and exploitation.
Their flag says “death to America, death to Israel, curse be upon the Jews”. In some sense, I think you can’t blame an oppressed group for radicalizing in an attempt to improve their situation. But it’s hard to sympathize with a militant, anti-semitic terrorist organization.
Personally, I think the US should end the Prosperity Guardian operation. It should end support for Israel. And it should end oil imports. This will push America more towards decarbonization while reducing America’s interest in the Middle East. But that will raise gas prices, so it’ll never happen.
I don’t have to like it, but it’s sort of a sound strategy. The Red Sea is on the way to the Suez Canal, and the world had a demonstration a few years ago about what happens when you block the Suez canal.
Out of curiosity why did YOU use the word terrorist? Have you ever heard of the movie Avatar, Star Wars, Space Balls? It’s simply too easy to label someone a threat/terrorist, but come on entire countries, like are you agreeing that each creature/living breathing mammal as a terrorist?
I don’t disagree. I hate what Israel is doing. But we weren’t talking about them. The Houthis are terrorists. Stop acting like you got some sort of trap card. Terrorism is bad no matter the cause.
Years of Saudi air strikes with US weapons systems ended in a victory for the Houthis. Not to mention causing one of the worst humanitarian situations of the 21st century.
WTF does the US think it’s gonna do other than escalate the situation (and continue the next record breaking humanitarian crisis)?
I wonder if treating the Houthis as Iranian agents and retaliating against Iranian assets directly would be more effective than playing whack-a-mole against these missile launchers without addressing the source of the problem. I assume Biden’s advisors are wondering the same thing, but it’s hard to know where the line between deterrence and escalation is…
Iran has enemies. Many of them are even worse than the Iranians, but maybe the thing to do is to find some sympathetic group, arm them, and let them take the heat, just like Iran is doing with the Houthis…
Houthis have been getting bombed by Saudi Arabia for I don’t know how many years. If any one thinks that airstrikes will stop their operations then I have a bridge to sell them.
I don’t think it’s technically correct to say that the US armed ISIS; ISIS seized weapons that the US provided to Iraq.
Israel does a pretty good job of opposing Iran, and we can be confident that weapons provided to Israel aren’t going to be used against the US. I think it’s likely that the Houthis are acting up now not because they’re provoked by Israel but because Israel is preoccupied with something else.
As for Saddam Hussein… He did a very good job of opposing Iran. The threat of eight years of war and hundreds of thousands of Iranian soldiers dead would be a very effective stick if we still had access to it. It’s ironic that the weak, pro-Iran government that is the result of US intervention in Iraq seems like it’s worse for US interests than Saddam was.
A lot of the people that now sympathize with ISIS are people that the US and other Western countries propped up in various ways to help fight the Soviets.
The Houthis were friendly with the Soviets. The Soviets were friendly with the imamate.
Who do you think is funding, training and otherwise supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis?
This isn't Netanyahu's war either, of course. For as much as he's a bastard, any Israeli leader, no matter where they are on the political and moral spectrum, would have reacted to the October 7 massacres with a full-on war with the aim to completely destroy Hamas as an organization. There is no other possible reaction to it.
I have a feeling it has less to do with a foundational nature of evil, and everything to do with a population being impoverished, oppressed, and forgotten.
Instead of spending 1.2 billion dollars bombing them, maybe purchasing 600 million dollars of their chief export would be a better idea.
Empower the legitimate businesses and the people in the region who aren't launching missiles instead of ravaging the region and creating a new generation of 'militant rebels'.
This what? These people are religious fanatics so self absorbed in superstition and nonsense that they will literally blow themselves up and kill a bunch of people just out having breakfast because they don’t like the hours of operation one group sets for a pile of rocks some other group wants to visit on one day but not on another day. It is their utter lack of empathy and rationality that makes them evil pieces of shit. They aren’t fucking freedom fighters standing up for innocent people. They are morons who want religious control over their own people and every other person, absolute male domination of women in society, minority rule, and the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from the middleeast.
With the support of useful idiots as you, of course.
Are you joking? You want to stop bombing the terrorists and instead give them half a billion dollars? This is definitely one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard in a while.
I have compassion for the little girl that wants to learn math, not the religious fanatics that would shoot you for teaching her. You can be compassionate for terrorists if you want. Honestly you should move there and join their cause, if you think they’re so great.
Your bombs have collateral damage. Your bombs kill the little girl. Your bombs create more extremists to perpetuate what you (very disingenuously) object to.
The bottom line is you just want to perpetuate suffering, kill people, and keep military contractors rich.
Me when i label the people i don’t like as terrorists so I don’t have to think about the conflict and can bomb their entire country to dust while feeling good about myself
Me when i label the American military as terrorists so I don’t have to think about the conflict and can bomb their entire country to dust while feeling good about myself
Spending 1.2 billion on bombing campaigns keeps 1.2 billion in the American economy. Giving another country 600 million only exports money from their grasp.
I have a feeling it has less to do with a foundational nature of evil, and everything to do with a population being impoverished, oppressed, and forgotten.
Instead of trusting your feelings and alluding that the Houthis launch missiles “because they’re forgotten”, you could list the actual reason they’ve given, which is enforcing a blockade against ships trading with Israel.
Given that statement, I’m sure that the Houthis will stop their strikes when Israel stops their ongoing genocide. The US could have their shipping lanes back if they stop funding and arming a genocide and force a permanent ceasefire.
After 1/6, instead of arresting the insurrectionists, maybe we should have bought more Proud Boys merchandise? That’s your solution to religious extremists attempting to overthrow the government?
I was comparing religious extremists in the US who attempted to overthrow the US government with the Houthi who are doing the same in Yemen. The Houthi aren’t the official Yemen government. They are a religious faction who are attempting to overthrow the Yemeni government.
Then why did you take my point, employ and empower legitimate Yemen businesses and buy their chief export, flip it around, and say that I was suggesting buying Proud Boy's merch?
Actually they can’t, they have a legal obligation under the UN Convention on Genocide to take extra-territorial actions in order to stop or prevent genocide. They are acting within international law. The ships going to Israel despite the active genocide are violating international law and complicit in the genocide themselves.
Oh I wonder why that may be their message? Maybe because those two have a long history in the middle east in destabilizing it and killing innocent people? Do you honestly believe they hate us because they hate our freedom? Unbelievable.
So your logic is if there is a collation formed against someone then they’re bad? What about the axis powers during WW2? They had a coalition against some countries does that mean those countries are bad??
Not that your logic makes any sense to begin with because whats right or wrong isn’t dependent on the coalition but, the coalition is only the US and the UK with support (whatever that means) from Australia, Bahrain, Canada and the Netherlands. That’s only 2 countries, If we stretch the “support” that’s 6 countries. The axis powers had 10 countries.
Last month, the United States launched Operation Prosperity Guardian—a coalition of more than 20 nations committed to defending international shipping and deterring Houthi attacks in the Red Sea. We also joined more than 40 nations in condemning Houthi threats. Last week, together with 13 allies and partners, we issued an unequivocal warning that Houthi rebels would bear the consequences if their attacks did not cease. And yesterday, the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution demanding the Houthis end attacks on merchant and commercial vessels.
Yeah and that original coalition fell. Why did they state that its only the US and UK that are conducting the bombing? You clearly lack reading comprehension. Do support what israel is doing by indiscriminately bombing civilians?
All ships relevant to this discussion are required to have an AIS transmitter and destination is one of the pieces of data they transmit. This is like asking “how do you know where that plane passing overhead is going?” to someone who has flightradar24 open.
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