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Diva

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I make electronic music. (she/her) 🏳️‍⚧️

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Diva,
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everyone I disagree with is directly puppeteered by the Kremlin (foreigners)

Diva,
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America has the largest prison population in the world, including “authoritarian” countries several times our size.

Diva,
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talk about making up a guy to get mad at lmao

Diva,
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“hey guys my enemies are all commie nazi condeferate and every other bad thing I can think of! I am the serius one”

Diva, (edited )
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I certainly hope they wouldn’t because it’s really silly and doesn’t seem very effective

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I thought of one!

Now excuse me while I ragepost like a dozen stale memes about those damn literary Karens running free libraries as virtue signalling in racist petite bourgeois suburbs!

Diva,
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By “actual Iranians” are you referring to the monarchist expats or people who actually live there? jw

Diva,
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I have a bunch of friends there from college and plenty of them have issues with their government, some of them even live in America now. 100% of them have way more of a problem with Israels genocide than anything their government is doing.

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lol whataboutism, I’m not debating you I’m relating a personal reason why I find this whole thing farcical. You don’t have to believe me you can just keep smugly posting made up shit all day, I’ve seen it before.

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I’m not super keen on toppling governments because “democracy” that you deliver to people by destroying their government is not democracy it is an occupation government. We saw this with Iraq and Afghanistan, I don’t know how you people refuse to learn, that is the real evidence of bad faith in this conversation.

I don’t live in Iran, or even in Russia right now so undermining those specific governments is not high on my agenda (I’m not on state department payroll).

I’ll just continue to direct my energies towards shittalking the bloodthirsty dictatorship where I live, the United States.

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Aren’t you guys the ones super mad about meddling in other peoples governments? That’s the whole reason you’re you’re mad at Putin with Trump, what about you doing it makes it less bad? is this a case of ends justify the means?

And spending your energy defending bloodthirsty dictatorships elsewhere, apparently. :)

You’re the one rageposting that the people who don’t support your genocide are not voting for your team this election

Diva,
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So now the Mahsa Amini protests were caused by Western meddling? Fucking lmao.

you had said:

Glad you agree that the Islamic Republic is a murderous regime that deserves to be toppled

so my later response was:

Aren’t you guys the ones super mad about meddling in other peoples governments? That’s the whole reason you’re you’re mad at Putin with Trump, what about you doing it makes it less bad? is this a case of ends justify the means

If it happens from people internally having their political will recognized then that’s a good thing.

If it happens from a military intervention like with Afghanistan and Iraq, (or with a bunch of state department ghouls dumping money on ISIS for terrorist attacks) that’s a bad thing.

I could make fun of you for struggling with reading, but this is clearly bad faith- You made a call to action that I was pointing out doesn’t really mean that you end up with any less of a dictatorship. I mean the Taliban is back in control in Afghanistan after America lost that conflict.

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You seem completely incapable of nuance, which is hilarious considering how mad you get at people no supporting your choice of genocidal corpse president.

you have ‘Iranian friends’ who are concerned about the Palestinian genocide (how that changes their mind on the Islamic Republic, I’m not quite sure)

Let me paint you a picture- I remember freshman year having my roommate tell me he was “Persian” and he seemed straight up embarrassed by the Islamic republic - he was even in Iran visiting family during 2022 for those protests and was helping get people out of prison.

After ~November 2023 and the obvious genocide starting in Gaza he started going to protests against it- and was shocked at how the liberals he was friends with immediately turned on him and started producing absolutely horrifying rationalizations justifying Israels actions (I saw this play out in our group chat)

He often vents to me how in his expat whatsapp groups there’s always people (often from incredible wealth) who are absolutely fixated on wanting to ‘topple’ the government to the exclusion of all other issues, including the genocide that has killed orders of magnitude more people outright than Iranian state repression.

You seem fixated on the idea that we worship these governments and it really seems like projection, especially considering how defensive you get over the US government and its wanton destruction.

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Sorry that you’re so eager for genocide and mass sexual violence here under a Christian Republic in the same Abrahamic vein as Iran’s current government, but I don’t really see the relevance?

Look I voted for Hillary last time, you clearly don’t need my vote this time.

you were just WhatAbouting the Islamic Republic’s mass murder and sexual violence against protesters

This is the part where you just make shit up so I have to spend time responding. You are the one trying to browbeat people into approving your teams genocide.

Diva,
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The part I pointed out the issue with was the implied “and we should do something about it”. You said “and this is why they must be toppled” - which implies that somebody should do something. When the entirety of recent history has been the US trying to meddle with other governments and collectively punishing the people who live there with sanctions, if not outright invading them, shock and awing their infrastructure, and setting up a government for a former expat to run.

You are just trying to flatten everything to extremely recent events, it don’t hold up to scrutiny otherwise.

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I mean we do agree that internal political will being met is good, so how about moving on to where we disagree: Bidens genocide and why you’re so insistent everyone else approve of it.

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You have such a fascinating approach to argument, it’s like creative writing where you just make shit up and refuse to address anything directly lmao

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Yeah, the Islamic Republic is awful literally every Iranian person I know agrees on that, and it sucks that America meddled in their government for so long before it. Hopefully something that isn’t a western puppet government takes its place and actually represents the people.

Diva,
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Diva,
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Personally my vote is for red triangling the metaphorical trolley

Diva,
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You can still use the lever clearly, simply flip the lever after one axle of the train has passed over the switch, but before the other axle has. This will force a derailment.

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It’s probably not going to be good, but it’s going to be better than what happens to the people on the tracks.

Diva,
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Don’t worry I’m sure you’ll figure out reading between the lines eventually.

Diva,
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I’ll make sure to let you know the time and location officer 🫡

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To be clear, yeah it’s for trying to browbeat people into supporting Biden, and how he treats it as a forgone conclusion that the settlers are going to get their land.

I have zero confidence in your ability to pressure democrats, I already spent most of the Iraq war and Obamas terms getting told to fuck off because I was antiwar by my democratic reps not sure why they would suddenly have a change of heart now.

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it very quickly leads into “Every homophobe is a closeted homosexual”, which is some genuinely insane levels of victim blaming when you actually think about it.

I was being intentionally hyperbolic for comedic effect rather than trying to be totally nuanced.

There’s plenty of examples of people who are outwardly liberal being homophobic- it happens all the time towards people who are seen as ‘not on their team’ ie how often Democrats (online, comedians, etc) will mock someone like lindsey graham because he’s a bit queeny.

You also see it when liberals do stuff like portray Putin and Trump kissing because men kissing bad, right?

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