Diva

Diva, 3 months ago

He’s doing the thing where he calls a temporary pause a “ceasefire” with the only leverage getting handed over.,. So the genocidal ethnostate can continue the slaughter at its leasure.

Sounds like a shit deal.

Diva, 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

I’m not voting for the genocide, red team or blue.

You lot are just embarrassing yourselves.

Diva, 3 months ago

“Ew, I’m not going to sully my delicate hands by picking from two stinky candidates.”

I’m not voting for the genocide, team blue or team red. I’m sorry that you’re so blinded by team sports that you are incapable of registering dissent.

Diva, 3 months ago

Do you not understand how being complicit in a genocide is something of a red line for a lot of people? The fact that I have been told to fuck off (in slightly nicer words) by pretty much all of my Democratic reps when I bring up this issue, tells me that they are not people who I trust to not slide into open fascism at home either.

Why would they listen when the next genocide is happening if the only lesson they take from this one is to double down and ignore all criticism?

Diva, 3 months ago

Not voting has already been shown not to be an option.

watch me bluemaga

Diva, 3 months ago

literally a cult mindset

Diva, 3 months ago

literally a cult mindset

Diva, 3 months ago

The president gets picked by a system designed by slaveowners 300 years ago, individual votes are essentially meaningless, and because I don’t buy into your religious devotion to voting for the ‘lesser evil’ I have a legion of people filling my inbox with misogyny, threats and accusations.

This is why people don’t see you as credible allies.

Diva, 3 months ago

You’re just another one of the freaks who view this as team sports where you always want your team to win, and you are going to twist literally anything I say in bad faith to avoid damaging your extremely fragile understanding of the world.

Diva, 3 months ago

How exactly am I pretending to be against genocide?? I refuse to vote for the person doing the genocide, and you posit that because the other person might hypothetically be worse we should continue to vote for the guy literally sending aircraft carriers to make sure the genocide happen.

I don’t view Palestinians as expendable, this all seems theoretical to you. Only seeming to care about this as a method for browbeating people into voting for the people directly responsible. vile stuff.

Diva, 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

At this point they’ve both had 1 term and Biden has a lot more bodies at his feet.

Voting for democrats is only going to send them the message that it’s the correct move to double down in this situation. How does that bode for the next one? Can you see how that makes them no longer trustworthy allies?

I view christofascism in the US to be a major threat, and Democrats are not even going to be a speedbump.

Diva, 3 months ago

So you’re arguing that it’s possible Trump won’t continue the genocide. That’s pure delusion.

nowhere did I say that. I don’t expect that the Democrats will either at this point, and I don’t care about you threatening me with the violence the republicans will do to me when they’re in power. It’s not convincing anyone, and does not make you look credible.

You claim to not be cultlike but you can’t even seem to process dissent, or even understand what my motivations are, despite me putting in a lot of effort to make myself clear.

Diva, 3 months ago

So, knowing that Trump and Biden will behave the same way in regards to Israel, that factor cancels itself out.

It really doesn’t because Biden is the one currently with the power and if anything this will be seen as a referendum for future genocidal ethnostates that this behavior is OK.

This isn’t some abstract risk analysis, its human lives and I cannot view someone who would be a part of what’s happening to Palestine to be a credible future ally against christofascists. It just does not add up.

Diva, 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

I am not going to debate you on the abusive behavior I’ve experienced from your fellow cultists. You literally are incapable of taking any dissent because it’s violating one of your core beliefs (voting for the lesser evil is the only path forward).

It’s really funny to have you accusing me of ‘thought terminating cliches’ because I view you lot as cultlike. I literally have an inbox full of people trying to do emotional manipulation on me, enforcing a narrow binary choice as if it’s the difference between evil and good.

Also on the subject of ‘thought terminating cliches’ I will routinely get called out for being russian or something equally xenophobic, or called a bot or a shill. I have skin in this and I would love for the democrats to actually live up to what people expect. I have been nothing but disappointed by them.

You have your own little echo chamber full of people all with the same ‘with us or against us’ sentiments who will roll up and hurl abuse at people for voicing wrongthink (I had one person earlier today that was just repeatedly intentionally misgendering me over this, real ally behavior)

Diva, 3 months ago

I really don’t care about ‘hypothetical trump’ the last 6 months have been Biden and Biden alone. If Trump was in the chair, maybe you cultist would actually give a shit about this genocide instead of constantly trying to deflect from it when people voice their anger towards those responsible.

Diva, 3 months ago

You keep asserting that individuals voting somehow impacts the ‘risk’ of trump getting elected more than the individual with all the power in this situation choosing a path which alienates a considerable portion of his own electoral base. Rather than blaming the people with power doing the actual crimes, you blame people with no power who simply don’t buy into your blind devotion to the democrats anymore.

Diva, 3 months ago

If all you can do is put words in my mouth and dishonestly frame the discussion, then I’m disappointed, but not surprised.

This is coming from the person literally spending all your time trying to do emotional manipulation about how voting (a meaningless act of devotion) is somehow the key to reducing risk. If ‘reducing risk’ means rewarding people who are committing a genocide for refusing to budge on that, then I will take the fucking risk.

Diva, 3 months ago

I prefer to deal in advanced logic, I will refer you to the garden path idiom which I tried to explain to you earlier.

Diva, 3 months ago

I already explained that you earlier you gotta slip the switch and derail the train so it stops murdering Palestinians.

now say potato

Diva, 3 months ago

Look, I’m not going to vote for the guy and you’re not going to logic me into it either.

Do you understand what I mean when I say I cannot view the Democrats as credible allies? If they’re willing to turn a blind eye to this because they view it as electorally feasible for them to do so, how exactly can we expect to not be next on the chopping block.

I don’t view this genocide as inevitable or unavoidable, Biden has the power to stop it by withholding the weapons being used for it and the military support for it.

One trans woman has already burned herself up in protest and I know for a fact that she’s not alone in her sentiments at this point. You cannot browbeat people into voting based on threats from the other side, expecting to be immune to response. People voicing dissent have legitimate grievances which are being ignored to our collective peril.

Diva, 3 months ago

it’s never been Democrats but Republicans marginalizing us.

Excuse me, what? Neither party has been welcoming to trans people until extremely recently. Democrats uphold the police state, and have historically been just as willing to use police violence to crack down on trans people. you know Stonewall? As in the riot against police raids- literally had a Democrat mayor at the time.

Obama only ‘evolved’ on gay marriage in 2015, have you seen how transphobic early 2000s mainstream democrats were? How short is your historical horizon for ‘never’ exactly? I would urge you to question your blind devotion to team blue, and read some queer history, frankly.

How can you possibly think Democrats will be the ones to start vilifying queer people when they have no past history of doing so?

No past history, They’re literally complicit in the murder of tens of thousands of people, literally civilians, as we speak. Because they have made the calculation that it will not impact them politically. You don’t see that as some sort of indication that you should not trust them?

If it suddenly became as politically ‘impossible’ to protect trans people as it is currently ‘impossible’ to stop the genocide of Palestine, I have no expectation that the people doing this genocide would stand by their principles to do something to protect a different minority group.

Diva, 3 months ago

And I think you are grossly overestimating our influence. Israel isn’t some third-world country that survives on American charity. They not only produce their own weapons, they sell them to countries including the US. Netanyahu has also explicitly said he won’t stop no matter what; he’s fighting a holy war, and would believe he would strap bombs to children before he stopped.

There are US aircraft carriers working to open sea shipping for Israel, they are completely reliant on US funding and protection. It’s a colony with America as its primary patron, if the patron pulls support, the colony crumbles.

Biden has said “if israel didn’t exist we would have to create it to protect our interests” that calculus is why he is doing this, and it’s not something I want to be a part of.

Biden can at least be reasoned with like an adult. Trump is a belligerent child.

This line doesn’t really work on someone who is exasperated that literally every democrat representative I have is completely unreachable on the tens of thousands of people getting killed with our weapons.

Diva, 3 months ago

I don’t understand what you mean. If this is a real threat,( which is what I believe it is) then why are Democrats so unreachable about the actual things they’re doing which are contributing to it?

Losing the election because they alienate everyone to the left of Biden is not a ‘me’ problem, it’s the party which is responsible.

Diva, 3 months ago

explain? I don’t follow, I reported the fascist I was talking to, but lemmy.world mods don’t seem to care about open transphobia

Diva, 3 months ago

I don’t view the Democrats as a credible opposition to rising christofascism, particularly when they’re completely unreachable on the genocide they’re participating in.