Draconic_NEO

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

Yup, and this time it seems like they’re getting more support from the community than downvotes (or they’re upvoting their own post).

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago (edited 2 months ago)

It’s in their username after the @
Edit: In case you can’t see it, it’s Lemmy.dbzer0.com

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

fair enough I guess some apps probably strip it out.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

Great question, see when instances have management level disagreements like this there really isn’t any purpose to using their communities from a remote account.

Unlike a lot of people who “migrated” I realize it ultimately doesn’t make a difference using these communities from a remote server because they are controlled by this one and ultimately will be affected by defederations and bans. So I only migrated my non-lemmy.world subscriptions to the other instance accounts and left the local ones on this account.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

Btw you are also free to block any instance yourself.

Not how the instance blocking feature works. it’s a common misconception because people don’t read the docs and just assume it does what they think it does. From the News Section on Join-Lemmy:

Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

It’s not an alternative or replacement to defederation, not even close. I’m really surprised this misconception still persists even after widespread adoption of 0.19.x across the Lemmy network.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

Yeah it’s a very common misconception, I find it weird that people are still having it though when 0.19 is widely available.

Maybe they’re just saying it as a way to be dismissive of the issue, this kind of stuff happens often when people report or call to attention malicious instances or malicious users.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

Could DM the admins directly here, or could shoot them a message at info@lemmy.world, or one could start a discussion on the Matrix space, either mentioning them in general or in the Defense HQ room.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

@bouh Lol look at you seething away, came here just to randomly attack people in a defederation thread.

I know what triggers these types of responses to defederation, many people believe that the Fediverse was some grand user choice and free speech haven. Which is an incorrect assumption, by a long shot. The fediverse since it’s beginning has never been a free speech platform, and also like all other top down servers prioritizes admins, the people who pay the bills and are liable for what happens on their server. So when servers violate these rules and all other options have been exhausted or it is clear that they will continue causing issues persistently, servers are defederated to maintain the peace and safety of their server. One thing to make clear is that all users have the choice of signing up to a different server that does federate, and if they are the victim of one of these compromised/bad-faith servers, they really should consider doing that.

That’s quite open minded and tolerant! Paradox of Tolerance

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago (edited 2 months ago)

Probably one of if not the biggest reasons people had poor experiences on Lemmy before was because they signed up on Lemmy.ml

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

Paradox of tolerance, if you tolerate the intolerant then tolerance quickly goes extinct.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

Blocking is not a real solution, it is putting a blanket over the problem and pretending it went away. People who suggest you do that are suggesting you enable bad faith actors by ignoring their behavior, as opposed to reporting it and/or making others aware so they can report it. We all need to work better to make the platform and spaces on it better, if no one works at it, nothing gets better.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

It would’ve been me too, but when I started looking at Lemmy the dev’s instance was closed along with many others, so the first one was Lemmy.world for me. While Lemmy.world has its flaws it’s still way better than ml, really dodged a bullet there.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago (edited 2 months ago)

Of course they didn’t, they’re just reactively replying to comments that trigger them hoping that the people they reply to also get triggered. They are a troll.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

They also manipulated the modlog on their site to not differentiate between removed by mod and removed by admin. So even When something is removed by Dessalines or Nutomic it’ll still show as moderator and not admin in the mod log.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago (edited 2 months ago)

They manipulated the modlog on their version to show all actions as coming from mod and not from admin, likely in attempt to hide how much is by admins as opposed to mods.

Edit: also appears they’re manipulating the data itself because actions from lemmy.world’s mods and admins are showing up under Nutomic’s page so definitely something screwy going on there.

ModId field isn’t enabled on these instances, it needs to be specifically enabled for these searches to work properly, thanks @Rooki

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

If you scrolled just a little bit in that link you sent you would see that it isn’t.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/afe42963-c283-4612-856b-4cde4e084183.png

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago (edited 2 months ago)

try ctrl F “admin” and you’ll find them, they’re near the bottom of the page.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

I don’t own any jeans but I feel very similar and always wear pants when I sleep.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

A user should be able to interact with every other user if both wish to.

No I think you’ve been misled as to how this place works or have misinterpreted information you’ve recieved. This statement seems to imply that the Fediverse is some sort of free speech haven where people can do whatever they want and say whatever they want, when that couldn’t be further from the truth. The Fediverse is not some decentralized free-speech network where servers work together to thwart censorship and user freedom is paramount (seen plenty of articles and videos claiming this or at the very least implying it).

The Fediverse is a collection of individually run websites which run a software using a decentralized ptotocol to talk to each other. These websites are individually run either by individual people, organizations, or companies, each instance on it’s own is not that fundamentally different to classic social media, but the fact that they can communicate with each other in a decentralized manner is what makes it unique and also more powerful. However it’s important not to forget the fact that each one of these sites are owned and operated independently and it is the choice of those site owners whether to federate or not with certain instances or ban users from participating or appearing in their instance. The decentralized or user choice aspect is that a user on an instance that has defederated or banned them, can simply go to another instance that they think fits them better, or they can host their own and call the shots themselves (within reason).

Some people may not like this top down moderation system, but in all honesty it’s the only method that really works. True free speech sites are horrible to be on because the loudest and most angry people rule those places and attack anyone who even slightly disagrees with them (look at 4chan and kiwifarms), that mentality hurts the appeal of a space, and so people gravitate away from spaces like that and towards spaces which exclude such content and have rules and some amount of censorship.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

I like to emphasize " if both wish to".

Your problem is that you’re still seeing the platform as ‘controlled by users’, which isn’t how top down moderation works, the sites/instances are controlled by the ones who own them, they are the ones who call the shots and it is their job to enforce the rules and their choice to choose to kick someone or a site out of their circle.

A user does not have a say in this anymore than they have a say in other moderative decisions on the site. If a user’s desire to interact with the other instance goes against their home instance’s desire they have the option of migrating elsewhere or start their own. The fediverse is about having options of different platforms that can communicate with other platforms, not catering to free speech and user choice demands. The whole thing is still up to the individual sites and the people that run them, and they are not obligated to do anything for users (many will gladly put you in your place if you try) who they are graciously allowing to use their service.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

• Reports are auto forwarded without any anonymity. And yes, report retaliation bans happen from community mods.

Not just retaliation bans but also harassment and threats in DMs. Really community mods have no business being able to see who sends reports, only admins do, and even then, only admins on the homeserver of those reports, admins of remote instances should only get to know the instance it came from, nothing else.

• Reports are sent to both admins and community mods, with no means of forwarding directly to admins. Community mods can snipe reports before admins see them.

I’ve also experienced problems with this on more than one occasion, mods can essentially protect bad faith users and their community from having action taken due to policy violations by resolving all reports without action. I’ve gotten around this by DMing admins directly (on Lemmy.world it can also be done by emailing info@lemmy.world) but there should really be grandular options like on Mastodon, both for forwarding to community mods and also whether or not to forward to remote instances.

• Domain blocks are always publicly visible.
• Mod logs are always publicly visible in the public mod log.

I disagree with this, transparency is important because without it, it enables abusive moderation practices which are much more difficult to uncover or find out about, also domain blocks should be visible because it allows people to know which servers are federated and thus which instance they should pick. Without transparency we get the incredibly user-hostile shadow moderation that places like Reddit are known for.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

Often they delete all images during the time frame of a CSAM attack, as that has been the only real feasible way to ensure images weren’t left behind. Though I think a few images have started using AI detection methods to remove images like that automatically (read up on that here and here), also Pict-rs now has a Log linking uploaded images to the user, so now images can be purged with the users.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago

They’re absolutely being sarcastic, the Devs’ response was rude and dismissive.

Draconic_NEO, 2 months ago (edited 2 months ago)

Don’t underestimate your own worth, everyone has something of at least little importance, because even someone “worthless” can be worth a lot to the right people.

That’s why it’s very important to be careful what you share.