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ElectroVagrant

@ElectroVagrant@lemmy.world

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samxavia, to asklemmy
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@asklemmy How could users Monitise themselves on the Fediverse?

As people possibly move across to the Fediverse to find alternatives, we have to question how people are going to make a living on this amazing platform.

Can it be fully run by donations or is there a better way for people to be paid across the Fediverse?

ElectroVagrant,

That’s what Nostr is supposed to be for. Looking for ways to monetize decentralized social media.

I thought it was more interested in making a more censorship resistant form of online communication, with the crypto/monetization junk being tacked on as kind of an afterthought (but then amplified because cryptocurrency people are nothing if not vocal).

ElectroVagrant,

Do people have to make a living of it?

Can’t we have a place online where out data isn’t being sold, aren’t being bombarded with ads, or begged for subscriptions?

We can, and we do have some such spaces, thankfully. Another question to ask then is, could online workers have the sort of spaces where they’re not ceding their data to be sold by others, where they aren’t at the whims of corporate platforms wary of losing advertisers’ money, and being given scraps of the advertising money and pressed to split their subscription revenue with corporations making billions?

If people don’t want them in the fediverse, and people are sick of the corporate web (either in part or in whole because of online workers there), where are online workers to try to make their living?

I don’t know, but I do understand the exasperation at it all.

ElectroVagrant,

Nobody was tbh

ElectroVagrant,

This is…Certainly the last place I’d expect there to be a cache! Also never knew Seattle had a museum of flight!

ElectroVagrant,

From the article:

In addition to the Volkswagen effort, union campaigns are underway at a Mercedes-Benz plant and a Hyundai factory, both in Alabama. The union says more than half of the Mercedes workers and more than 30 percent of the Hyundai workers have signed cards supporting U.A.W. membership.

Nice. Hopefully they make similar progress to the Volkswagen workers.

ElectroVagrant,

Thought this was interesting coverage of a mix of different issues from inattentiveness, prompt resignation at slight effort, and tech and media illiteracy. It’s difficult to determine what all the contributors to these behaviors are across different age demographics, as you see it both with the young and the old in different forms.

There’s a sort of expectation from some of both to operate software more like simple machinery (appliances, more than applications) where you tap or click the buttons and it promptly and predictably responds (ideally), and when it doesn’t…To simply give up and try to find a different app that works as desired, or a person to help them.

ElectroVagrant,

Yeah, some interfaces have somehow contorted themselves to being utterly inaccessible in efforts to be maximally accessible.

Whether that’s removing any immediately visible buttons whatsoever, only displaying vague icons (with no text labels) only to be seen in that software, or weirdly expecting a certain degree of old/new tech familiarity that may be too old for younger people or too new to make sense for many to be that familiar with yet.

ElectroVagrant,

This is just a hypothesis, but I believe that one of the roots of the problem is a lower ability to retrieve information, caused by increased exposure to advertisement.

I’m not sure I follow where you’re coming from here. Is the idea that over-exposure to advertisement is processed the same as being provided general information, reducing people’s inclination to seek out information independently, despite the fact that advertising is only the provision of specific, narrow information?

ElectroVagrant, (edited )

Thanks for elaborating!

I think I better see what you meant now. Potential degradations in processing ability possibly from a combination of cognitive overload and exhaustion from the volumes of information encountered, both of which may be more frequently reached from a mixture of a lack of self-regulation, not knowing & exceeding one’s limits, and inadequate education and practice regarding the former two alongside reasoning abilities to more effectively navigate info without as often being overloaded/exhausted.

ElectroVagrant,

I would feel better if stories like this gave us background on the people involved. Who is Mike Macgirvin? I don’t want the person to dox themselves but I do want to know where he came from, what work he’s done before, what companies he’s worked for and what kind of people, organizations or groups he has worked with in the past. What school, university or program did he come out of? How old is he? What nationality? Where does he live and work now?

Did you miss the interview linked in the article? They interviewed Mike Macgirvin a few years back, and it goes into some of the background you’re wondering about.

ElectroVagrant,

…Isn’t this a weird move for a DRM free service to make?

ElectroVagrant, (edited )

On one hand, I appreciate this a lot as it’s been baffling to me that this aspect of Zot wasn’t adopted during development of ActivityPub. On the other, I kind of feel like some of this forgets or overlooks the benefits of running fully separate identities.

I recognize that the article points to this easing that process in a way, but it’s pointing more to facets of a single identity, which benefits from some degree of interchangeability depending on those facets. This is clearest in the notion of retaining one’s connections with minimal disruption should one facet’s instance/host go offline for some reason, but also in it being relevant to maintain the same content between facets.

This has sort of also been the issue some see with the idea of federation and the fediverse itself. Some people enjoy the different styles of posting and interaction across different non-federated/linked sites/platforms, yet in some ways federation tends to blur or break those distinctions and try, sometimes clumsily, to blend it all together. For those all in on the idea, that’s a major bonus, but for those not sold on it, it’s a major pitfall.

In some respects I think this may kind of help those wanting to maintain different identity facets around here, but may also create a potential tripping point for those trying to more easily maintain distinct identities depending on implementation.

ElectroVagrant, (edited )

How do you stay in the know about this kind of stuff? I’m curious about all the cool stuff out there I wouldn’t even know I’m curious to find.

I was going to mention YaCy as well if nobody else was, so I can chip in to this somewhat. My method is to keep wondering and researching. In this case it was a matter of being interested in alternative search engines and different applications of peer to peer/decentralized technologies that led me to finding this.

So from this you might go: take something you’re even passingly interested in, try to find more information about it, and follow whatever tangential trails it leads to. With rare exceptions, there are good chances someone out there on the internet will also have had some interest in whatever it is, asked about it, and written about it.

Also be willing to make throwaway accounts to get into the walled gardens for whatever info might be buried away there and, if you think others may be interested, share it outside of those spaces.

ElectroVagrant,

I don’t know anything about succulents, but I find the word fun and the plants look fun, so congrats on your fun plant finds!

ElectroVagrant, (edited )

I know way less than I’d like, but I just love looking at them and I find them cool and alien, so I keep getting more and more :)

The one on the left keeps making me think it should be some kinda alien egg, so I see where you’re coming from!

Also the one in the middle is like, “what, we’re rocks, absolutely just rocks. ignore the guy in the back” guy in the back: “HELP ME SPREAD THESE GENUINE ROCKS”

ElectroVagrant, (edited )

Behold, a Freeze-Flick of the Flicker!

Little bro at the local Autumn Festival (no.lastname.nz) German

https://no.lastname.nz/pictrs/image/c8d35aa7-a09e-46c0-8286-1e2f4adab197.jpeghttps://no.lastname.nz/pictrs/image/41c25495-5f1a-4ad9-9f7c-18adc46b7cdf.jpeghttps://no.lastname.nz/pictrs/image/16a2169b-ebb3-4023-b5cd-fee52d4a9c9c.jpeghttps://no.lastname.nz/pictrs/image/cf5805d1-0efe-451a-8d7c-98fa355763be.jpeghttps://no.lastname.nz/pictrs/image/e8e88f8a-b9a7-4f56-a2ec-6f6d5f7e713e.jpeg

ElectroVagrant, (edited )

Such a missed opportunity for a “whittle bro” title! Although…You could still edit it and make this comment look silly!

Also that’s a ton of wooden kitchenware. Impressive stuff. Incidentally, what becomes of the whittled off shavings afterward? Kindling?

ElectroVagrant,

They say ol’ Bonestell is still somewhere on Mimas to this day.

ElectroVagrant,

This is only somewhat related, but posting without a language selected may help across Lemmy at least. Defaults should allow seeing all languages, but for those trying to curate their feeds more to the languages they know, having a language selected that they’re filtering out means lower visibility for your posts.

Also, at least in this post’s case, the language selected doesn’t match, so it doesn’t make much sense anyway. 😅

More to your point, however, I honestly don’t know. There has to be an interest from those for a different community/online space to go to, and then it has to meet whatever they’re interested in posting and discussing. I kind of think more topic-focused or themed communities/instances might have more of a draw for some people, as something more open-ended may leave them at a loss of what to post about and discuss. Whereas, something a little more focused that they may know about, want to discuss, or ask and learn about, might provide an easier orientation/onboarding experience.

Simple examples being like communities related to sports, games, tv/movies, books, music, events related to each like upcoming sports events, concerts, awards shows, etc. Keeping in line with what I mentioned above, you might make these related to those in your country, letting federation take care of seeing and keeping up with international sports, media, and events, providing your instance with more of a distinct local feed that is genuinely local.

Bluesky's Moderation Architecture | Bluesky (docs.bsky.app)

Today, we’re releasing an open labeling system on Bluesky. “Labeling” is a key part of moderation; it is a system for marking content that may need to be hidden, blurred, taken down, or annotated in applications. Labeling is how a lot of centralized moderation works under the hood, but nobody has ever opened it up for...

ElectroVagrant,

I’m still not sure what I think of this to be honest, but I appreciate some more detail on how this is designed to operate on the frontend and the backend, e.g.

In the AT Protocol network, various services, such as the PDS, Relay, and AppView, have ultimate discretion over what content they carry, though it’s not the most straightforward avenue for content moderation. Services that are closer to users, such as the client and labelers, are designed to be more actively involved in community and content moderation.
[…]
Infrastructure providers such as Relays play a different role in the network, and are designed to be a common service provider that serves many kinds of applications. Relays perform simple data aggregation, and as the network grows, may eventually come to serve a wide range of social apps, each with their own unique communities and social norms. Consequently, Relays focus on combating network abuse and mitigating infrastructure-level harms, rather than making granular content moderation decisions.

(Emphasis mine.)

ElectroVagrant, (edited )

As I understand it so far:

Broad strokes general pros/cons:Bsky’s pros:

  • Some more influential/popular, and creative people have joined. - Full account migration across instances.
  • Initially at least: lower population/exclusivity, meaning less noise and fewer personality clashes, fewer trolls, so “better vibes”.
  • More focused interfaces providing smoother user experience.
    — Somewhere in-between:
  • More social algorithm friendly, i.e. feeds with posts from what your followed accounts are liking or commenting on. - Quote posting (this one I’m counting as in-between because some Mastodon people really dislike them). - Full text search by default (see second point as to why I have this here.*) — Bsky’s negatives (as of writing):
  • Fewer people overall, so can seem dead.
  • Some report phone number requirement for sign-up. - No post editing. - No video/gif posting. - No audio posts. - No direct/private/mentioned only messages. — *-Note: Mastodon now has a form of full text search but it must enabled by instance admins and one must opt their account’s posts into search visibility for them to show up. This is the result of the years of back & forth over the feature and is an interesting compromise approach.

Broad strokes technical pro/cons compared to Mastodon:Bsky/Bluesky’s tentative benefits:

  • Full account migration across instances (Personal Data Servers).
  • Personal Data Servers may have lower resource costs compared to Mastodon instances, enabling more self-hosting. - The underlying protocol (Authorized Transfer Protocol/ATProto) enables custom feeds to help one find what they want to see and only view that. - As this post details, it may enable more distributed moderation so that your host/instance isn’t necessarily the final say in what you can see. — Tentative negatives:
  • Relays may have higher resource costs, reducing how decentralized/distributed it is.
  • Currently Bsky’s federation/decentralization is only with self-hosted Personal Data Servers, while so far as I’m aware, they’re still operating the only Relay. - While the protocol may enable distributed moderation, this may also be viewed as a downside as it increases complexity in regards to which moderation services/moderators to subscribe to, who to report anything to, etc. - Custom feeds may also create a similar problem as distributed moderation in terms of choice paralysis/confusion, and further entrenching people into echo chambers more than existing social media arguably already enables.
    — Worth noting when compared to Mastodon:
  • Mastodon has partial account migration.
  • Mastodon allows post editing, video/gif/audio posts, and direct/mentioned only messages. - Each instance’s local feed, and even its federated feed, may be viewed as providing a sort of custom feed produced by those on the instance. - Probably closer to what Bluesky means: Mastodon also allows one to make lists of others to create a distinct feed, follow hashtags, and one may pin a hashtag in a column then add others to include/exclude to create a custom hashtag feed in the advanced web interface.
  • Also although it’s clunkier in Mastodon, one may export their lists, block/mute lists, and share these with others to import to their own account. - Bluesky also talks about different AppViews, which I think may be understood in relation to some of the different web interfaces, or apps one may use with Mastodon (one may understand this on Lemmy in a similar way, e.g. Alexandrite/Voyager~Thunder, etc.).
ElectroVagrant,

Barring weight and health concerns?

The dream buffet is the dream buffet, so absolutely!

ElectroVagrant,

since 0.19 banner seems more picky about size? under 2mb seems to give fewest issues

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