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As an agender individual I do see myself somewhat in the 𝕽𝖍𝖔𝖒𝖇𝖎𝖈 𝕯𝖔𝖉𝖊𝖈𝖆𝖍𝖊𝖉𝖗𝖔𝖓.

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“No one knows what it’s like, to be the very model of a modern major-general!”

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Oh come on, who wouldn’t pay for that? To not run into trains? That’s a bargain! Thanks Daddy Musk 🥰

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You’re right that it’s just a name, which means it’s within Tesla’s power to not call it “full self driving”. Like maybe keep the word “full” for when it’s better than “full self driving brackets not really”.

The reason it’s called that is so when you’re buying the car, you can read “full self driving”, the salesman can call it “full self driving”, and then you can get excited and think you’re getting full self driving and pay stupid amounts of money for an iPhone on wheels.

It’s also so Musk can get up on stage and lie for years about how you’ll be able to go coast to coast while you sleep by the end of the year or whatever it is. Having a bunch of warnings in the software setup is not enough for someone gargling Musk’s jizz to cough it up and see it for the bullshit that it is.

You can give us all this extra info but you can’t change the core reality that the name is a lie.

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I notice you danced around the question of whether it was a lie to focus on bullshit legal stuff, which isn’t the arbiter of truth and reality. As I once heard a judge say, “You don’t come here for justice, you come here for a judgment.”

Anyway since you think it matters, the lawsuit you’re talking about is happening and a judge has ruled that the case has merit to continue: reuters.com/…/tesla-must-face-vehicle-owners-laws…

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I don’t give a shit whether their marketing is a lie.

I mean clearly. “Full self-driving” is marketing, and it is a lie. That’s the point being made here. You don’t have to care about it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a lie.

I’m not not blaming the drivers. They were foolish enough to buy a Tesla and trust it with their lives for a start. But I am also blaming the marketing. Two things can be true.

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Musk was involved in marketing and lying about it, though, and his extremely prolific public image is what gave it so much credibility. He’s lost a lot of that credibility now though, largely because people have spent a lot of time criticizing him. If you want him to disappear from the public eye that’s great, so do I, but he’s one of the most powerful men in the world, so that’s not going to happen.

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Yeah, I’ve been trying for over a decade to switch to Linux, but the pain points have been too much for me. This is it though, MS is making it impossible to continue with their spyware crap. I have to find a way to make the switch before 10 reaches end of life.

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I’ve been seeing that comic for so long, and I’ve just realised I got the narrative backwards. I always thought the person handing the item over in the first panel was the plagiarist, and the person receiving it was saying “you made this?” in confusion, then waiting a moment and acknowledging that yes, they have just been given back the thing they made and told someone else made it.

Now I realise it’s probably meant to be read that the original maker is on the left, and the plagiarist on the right is just waiting till they’re gone to take credit for it.

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It’s almost like we’re under an economic system that perpetuates itself at the expense of literally every single person on Earth, and we would all be better off if we abolished it.

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It could be simply obscure like you say, but the absence of a network doesn’t guarantee it’s that easy to hack.

They could use a checksum and your trick would invalidate the card until you figured out the correct algorithm, which would require a new visit to the laundromat for every new attempt, so basically impractical.

That or the card is just simply encrypted, which would make it impossible to interpret. It would be easy to implement too because the shared secret is between machines that are all physically controlled by the laundromat.

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Oh yeah, that’s true, so you wouldn’t have destroyed the card, but it’s not a useful hack if they’ve done even the most basic security measures.

That said, I would be fascinated to know what was on that card. I’d give it pretty good odds of having absolutely no security measures whatsoever.

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Well that’s the thing, you don’t need a lot. You’re handing out these cards and people walk out the door with them, so you can’t trust they’re not going to mess with them. They don’t need to be walking around with a writer, you need one person to have access - either own one or have one at work or a university lab - and they can make as many cards as they want to give to their friends. Then they could use your business for years and get thousands of dollars of free service without you ever knowing.

That’s the real threat here I think - a poor university student with a technical degree challenging themselves to cheat the system and help out their friends. I mean it’s probably not going to happen, but a business owner who’s aware of this attack vector could spend the time to get a basic encryption system going that’s practically unbreakable.

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Wow repressing a population under the pretext of fighting terrorists only radicalises that population. We certainly couldn’t have predicted this based on millennia of examples.

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I’m not going to dispute your clearly superior knowledge of basketball statistics, and those are all remarkable parallels, but I think it’s more likely they were referring to the helicopter crash.

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Okay but you can acknowledge the exploitation whilst also admitting that AI doesn’t make art and what it does make is universally bad. The fact it’s using exploited labour and is being used to threaten jobs makes the fact its output sucks even more of a slap in the face. These ideas are not in tension; two things can be true.

Art means something. Art is any creation that meaningfully expresses the intent of its creator. If you want to make art, you need to understand meaning, and current “AI” is devoid of meaning or understanding. It’s not about some nebulous “spark”, it’s that there is no intention behind an LLM’s output. It is a stochastic parrot.

Maybe a person can use AI generated imagery to make something with artistic merit, but that’s because their time and attention was put into curating it, not because an AI drew a picture that seems plausible if you don’t look at it too closely.

An AI needs to have comprehension before it can intend anything. Art isn’t “art” just because it makes pretty pictures.

If you want to say AI as it currently exists can make art, then I’d be fascinated to hear what you think art is, and how your definition differs from mine.

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They are unique abilities of people; whether a neural net can be a person would depend on whether it possesses those abilities. Humans are just the only examples of people that we currently have.

Understanding is not something current neural nets have. They are stochastic parrots.

EDIT: Perhaps I should’ve said “Humans are the only uncontroversial examples of people that we currently have,” but I guess I put too much faith into people to not get sidetracked by irrelevant technicalities. Animals could be considered people by this definition, that’s true and says a lot about our anthropocentric society, but that doesn’t change the fact that LLMs are not people.

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Even accepting that you’re right you’ve missed the point. To the extent that animals are able to have creativity and understanding, perhaps we should understand them to be “people”.

And at any rate, we still don’t see this kind of thing from LLMs.

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That’s one way to say you have no confidence in your ability to explain anything.

It’s not that deep: what’s the joke? Can you explain it without sounding like an asshole? Sounds like you just admitted you can’t.

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I’m asking a question politely, but to be sealioning I’d have to be disingenuous about it. This is a serious question. Explain the joke, please.

If you have a genuine answer I’m willing to hear it, but so far nobody has even tried.

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So literally, “haha he killed her and raped the corpse” except you added a bunch of condescending overexplaining to it.

Like… you realise you sound like an asshole, right? That’s my point.

Also preemptively deciding that me disagreeing with you automatically makes you right because you predicted your explanation wouldn’t satisfy me is just A-tier bullshit.

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Not if you plan to rape the corpse, which this person apparently did. Sorry, that’s not an explanation, that’s a new joke. It was pretty good, by the way, but it’s not what I’m asking for.

And the way you “play” russian roulette is as a torture method with a prisoner. That’s where it comes from, and there is no established way to “play” unless you’re about to tell me you’re reading from the official rulebook of the International Russian Roulette Association. If you’re going to try to ground this thing in reality that doesn’t work because it was never grounded in reality.

Also, I’m not even saying this joke isn’t funny. It made me chuckle for a second, but if you think about it for like three seconds it treats the woman as a prop on so many levels. The woman in this story has no agency whatsoever, even when she’s offering sex in the setup it’s just a weird incel fantasy that would never happen.

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I never said this joke wasn’t funny, I said it hates women. It made me laugh for a second, but then in the following two seconds I said, “oh, ew”. Hating women is just so normalised in our society that it gets a pass under the banner of “edgy humour”.

And the reason I wasn’t swayed by the explanation is because it was essentially the same as mine. None of it is new information. You admitted my explanation is correct when you acknowledged that I clearly understood the joke.

So yeah, like I suspected, I’m not missing something here that makes this joke less misogynistic. Noone is telling me my characterisation of “haha he killed her and raped the corpse” is wrong, because it obviously isn’t.

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Yes, I don’t think anyone disagrees with you here. IMO, the rule of thumb is, “Would it be equally funny if the genders were swapped?”, and IMO, the answer is “yes” in this case, because the joke doesn’t rely on sexism.

This is a good rule of thumb, and I think where the joke actually lies. See, it relies on the viewer’s familiarity with the Patrick Bateman image, where it’s suddenly recontextualised as an image of a man having sex with a corpse. That works because the popular image only focusses on the man and the woman is so depersonalised that there is nothing to indicate whether she’s even alive.

The question about whether it would work with the genders swapped depends on whether an equally popular image-of-a-woman-sexually-dominating-a-man-who-is-so-devoid-of-personhood-that-he-could-be-dead exists, and the answer is no, of course not. The man sexually dominating a woman who lacks agency is pervasive throughout our culture because our culture is deeply patriarchal. That’s why this image is so common.

That cultural backdrop is the point here. That’s why this joke can so easily be misongynistic without triggering people’s disgust, because it’s not so different from the baseline level of misogyny that we experience every day. If you had to explain this to someone without that background, you would sound like a monster if you were trying to sell it as funny.

As for the origins of the game, there’s debate as to where it comes from, mostly from fictional accounts or from stories of mock executions. But yes, the popular imagination comes from Deer Hunter, where you do in fact point it at your own head. There’s nothing to indicate the woman agreed to play, however, since her consent isn’t part of the equation once she’s dead. That was my actual point when I brought up the fact that there’s no rulebook for the game.

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These people can’t imagine a world without authoritarian rulers. That’s why they love work so much - they get to be bossed around by little dictators all day and never have to think for themselves. It’s much more comfortable for them.

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