Graylitic

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Graylitic,

Anarchism isn’t simply a removal of all structure, but a replacement of existing structure with decentralized networks of Mutual Aid, Mutualism, gift economies, etc, depending on the flavor.

I admire anarchists for their principles and praxis in modern developing countries, where more Marxist groups have struggled, however I do disagree on policy.

That being said, I’d take a functional Anarchist society over this hellhole every day of the week in a heartbeat.

Graylitic,

No.

Police exist as a construct largely to protect Capital. Most people breaking the law do so out of desperation, rather than pure evil, and most people who are legitimately evil are so because of upbringing.

You can replace police with different structures, such as Social Workers, that can better handle situations without the use of violent action as the go-to.

Graylitic,

Because America is becoming increasingly radicalized, left and right, and as such a center-right Neoliberal that upholds the status quo above all else is hated by radicals on both sides.

Graylitic,

Capitalism is continuing to decline and people are farther removed from the Red Scare.

Graylitic,

That’s Capitalism at work, lol

Graylitic,

So you’re one of those delusional “not real Capitalism” people? Real Capitalism hasn’t been tried yet, amiright?

Graylitic,

Capitalism itself is corrupt, lol. Any class-based system will be.

Graylitic,

You can restructure society to not require profit. The economy exists currently purely to increase consumption and thus profit, rather than to fulfill uses.

Graylitic,

Do you think systems built upon class hierarchy are resistant to corruption?

Graylitic,

Profit is producing to sell goods in a positive feedback loop for more money. You don’t need to have profit.

Graylitic,

Nope, but you’re free to continue building a strawman.

Graylitic,

You can continue to pretend I haven’t thought of any of this and continue to talk down to me as you build a larger and larger strawman, it’s pretty funny.

Graylitic,

You don’t need to produce for profit, you can produce for use. Society can be organized in such a manner without having portions of society dedicated to brainwashing the masses into being consumers of useless goods like party favors for the sake of fat cats getting richer.

Graylitic,
  1. Needs clarification, lol. Worker councils are made up of the workers themselves in local areas. Do you think that because Capitalists only care about profit, that they let people starve? You’re continuing to prove a lack of understanding of the subject matter.
  2. Regulated Capitalism is right wing, no matter how light or heavy, because Capitalism is right wing.
  3. Sure, you will have liberal democracy until a Capitalist convinces a bunch or scared people they need control and slowly take over everything. Congrats, you have Nazi Germany, Batista’s Cuba, Mussolini’s Italy… and other Capitalist Dictatorships.

This is a nothingpoint. Communism is global.

  1. Citation needed. Capitalist economies plan all the time, lmao.
  2. Worker Cooperatives are Socialism, not Capitalism, even if they compete with Capitalist entities.
  3. Worker Cooperatives are not Capitalist, even if they can exist in market economies.

Read Marx, you clearly haven’t because all of your points can be easily debunked by reading Marx. I haven’t needed to write walls of text for every point because all of your points have been easily debunked.

Graylitic,

I’m not in any way defending the Moscow Trials or the Great Purge, but the reasoning behind Stalin’s Great Purge was to eliminate counter revolutionaries and solidify his own power so that he may continue the path to Communism, in his eyes and the eyes of the party.

Still evil, still leftist.

Graylitic, (edited )

What propaganda?

As for your points against worker councils, why would they let themselves starve? Do you misunderstand what a Worker council even is? Do you think it’s just a group of people at the very top of a system, like an oligarchy? Why do you think the word worker is the descriptive factor?

Capitalism is right wing, Socialism is left wing.

How is there a power vacuum? How do people amass tanks in global Communism to fight the rest of the globe?

The co-ops do not exist within the same space as Capitalism. You cannot have 100% Capitalism and 100% Socialism, they are mutually exclusive.

Please, for the love of everything, read Marx.

Graylitic,

Mald, cope, seethe, all you’ve done is prove that you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about.

Do you think democracy is a bad thing? Why do you think authoritarian structures are good if its labeled Capitalism? Do you think Communism is when Mr. Bureaucrat sits down in his government chair and does a Communism? Lmao.

Is it brigading if people just think you have shit takes and downvote you without organizing or trying to brigade? Is that how fragile you and your worldview are?

Graylitic,

Do you believe that every single action one must do be perfectly in line with leftist ideas to be a leftist? Is it not possible to commit evil for the purposes of, in their minds, securing the chances for achieving Socialism and Communism?

Stalin, by and large, was a leftist that was dedicated to the cause of achieving Communism. He was also a cruel, evil brute, who cared little for the Means of achieving it.

I prefer to recognize evil leftists to learn from them and their mistakes so as not to repeat them.

Graylitic,

Producing party favors and other mindless bullshit, no matter how “ethically sourced,” is still consumerism at the expense of the environment. Bottled water is another great example.

Capitalism is antithetical to sustainability, and has to be wrangled into a sustainable position soon or the climate disaster will become even worse than it already will be.

Graylitic,

Social Democracy historically still results in increasing disparity, and economic Imperialism. You can’t fix the issues with Capitalism with a band-aid.

Graylitic,

Can you explain the structural issues you belive Socialism to necessarily have? Can you explain why they are inevitable in Socialism, and moreso than Capitalism?

Graylitic,

My central objection was to you operating purely on vibes, which you continue to do.

Your second paragraph is more you missing the point, as you always do, so it doesn’t really matter.

Do you really think people saying they wish Stalin gulag’d more people are serious? The second claim is half correct, there is absolutely mass imprisonment and mass erasure of culture, it depends on how you define genocide. Is it absolutely evil? Yes. Genocide? Iffy.

You look at everything completely black and white and give them ammo, because then they can turn around and say that China isn’t genociding Uighers, when you should just be saying that the de-radicalization program is evil regardless.

All in all, read Marx.

Graylitic,

Okay, guess the tankie can’t take a joke.

Graylitic,

I wish you had any principles.

Graylitic,

I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion in the slightest among leftists. The general underlying principles remains the same, the only thing that changes is people’s depth of understanding of the subject matter.

Similarly, I don’t think there are many people that defend the undeniably bad things done by ML states, just like there aren’t many liberals who’d defend American Slavery or the Trail of Tears.

People who I see called tankie most often are MLs who defend the non-shitty things done by the USSR, such as guaranteed housing, free Healthcare, and free education, and assume they also are therefore defending things like the Katyn Massacre or Moscow Trials.

I’m not an ML, but that’s why I asked the question, more aimed at OP than anyone else.

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